"DECIDE WHETHER WE SHOULD SHOW UP!"

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"DECIDE WHETHER WE SHOULD SHOW UP!"

Post: # 10334Post MannZ »

Each and every person must make a conscious decision about a very important issue: "DO YOU wish the ET Brotherhood of Light to "show up" for the whole world to see and thus come to assist Earth and it's people in these times ahead?" Please take time to read the full text below and make up a firm decision in your mind when the message has sunk in:
CHANGE THE WORLD!

"DECIDE WHETHER WE SHOULD SHOW UP!"


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Whoever transmitted this translated message to you is irrelevant, and should remain anonymous in your mind. It is what you will do with this message which matters !

Each one of you wishes to exercise her/his free will and experience happiness.

These are attributes that were shown to us and to which we now have access. Your free will depends upon the knowledge you have of your own power. Your happiness depends upon the love that you give and receive.

Like all conscious races at this stage of progress, you may feel isolated on your planet. This impression makes you sure of your destiny. Yet, you are at the brink of big upheavals that only a minority is aware of.

It is not our responsibility to modify your future without you choosing it. Consider this message as a worldwide referendum! And your answer as a ballot!


Who are we ?

Neither your scientists nor your religious representatives speak unanimously about the unexplained celestial events that mankind has witnessed for thousands of years. To know the truth, one must face it without the filter of one's beliefs, however respectable they may be.

A growing number of anonymous researchers of yours are exploring new knowledge paths and are getting very close to reality. Today, your civilisation is flooded with an ocean of information of which only a tiny part, the less upsetting one, is notably diffused.

What in your history seemed ridiculous or improbable has often become possible, then realised, in particular in the last fifty years. Be aware that the future will be even more surprising. You will discover the worst as well as the best.

Like billions others in this galaxy, we are conscious creatures that some name "extra-terrestrials", even though reality is subtler.

There is no fundamental difference between you and us, save for the experience of certain stages of evolution. Like in any other organised structure, hierarchy exists in our internal relationships. Ours is based upon the wisdom of several races. It is with the approval of this hierarchy that we turn to you.

Like most of you, we are in the quest of the Supreme Being. Therefore we are not gods or lesser gods but virtually your equals in the Cosmic Brotherhood.

Physically, we are somewhat different from you but for most of us humanoid-shaped.

Our existence is a reality but the majority of you does not perceive it yet. We are not mere observations, we are consciences just like you. You fail to apprehend us because we remain invisible to your senses and measure instruments most of the time.

We wish to fill this void at this moment in your history. We made this collective decision but this is not enough. We need yours. Through this message, you become the decision-makers ! You personally.

We have no human representative on Earth who could guide your decision.


Why aren't we visible ?

At certain stages of evolution, cosmic "humanities” discover new forms of science beyond the apparent control of matter. Structured dematerialisation and materialisation are part of them. This is what your humanity has reached in a few laboratories, in close collaboration with other "extra-terrestrial" creatures at the cost of hazardous compromises that remain purposedly hidden from you by some of your representatives.

Apart from the aerial or spatial objects or phenomena known about by your scientific community, that you call 'UFOs, there are essentially multidimensional manufactured spaceships that apply these capacities.

Many human beings have been in visual, auditory, tactile or psychic contact with such ships, some of which are under occult powers that "govern" you. The scarcity of your observations is due to the outstanding advantages provided by the dematerialised state of these ships.

By not witnessing them by yourself, you cannot believe in their existence. We fully understand this.

The majority of these observations are made on an individual basis so as to touch the soul and not to modify any organised system. This is deliberate from the races that surround you but for very different reasons and results.

For negative multidimensional beings that play a part in the exercise of power in the shadow of human oligarchy, discretion is motivated by their will to keep their existence and seizure unknown.

For us, discretion is motivated by the respect of the human free will that people can exercise to manage their own affairs so that they can reach technical and spiritual maturity on their own. Humankind's entrance into the family of galactic civilisations is greatly expected.

We can appear in broad daylight and help you attain this union. We haven't done it so far, as too few of you have genuinely desired it, because of ignorance, indifference or fear, and because the emergency of the situation did not justify it. Many of those who study our appearances count the lights in the night without lighting the way. Often they think in terms of objects when it is all about conscious beings.


Who are you ?

You are the offspring of many traditions that throughout time have been mutually enriched by each others' contributions. The same applies to the races at the surface of the Earth. Your goal is to unite in the respect of these roots to accomplish a common project. The appearance of your cultures seems to keep you separated because you substitute it to your deeper being. Shape is now more important than the essence of your subtle nature. For the powers in place, this prevalence of the shape constitutes the ramparts against any form of jeopardy.

You are being called on to overcome shape while still respecting it for its richness and beauty. Understanding the conscience of shape makes us love men in their diversity. Peace does not mean not making war, it consists in becoming what you are in reality: a same Fraternity.

To understand this, the number of solutions within your reach are decreasing. One of them consists in contact with another race that would reflect the image of what you are in reality.


What is your situation ?

Except for rare occasions, our interventions always had very little incidence on your capacity to make collective and individual decisions about your own future. This is motivated by our knowledge of your deep psychological mechanisms.

We reached the conclusion that freedom is built every day as a being becomes aware of himself and of his environment, getting progressively rid of constraints and inertias, whatever they may be. Despite the numerous, brave and willing human consciences, those inertias are artificially maintained for the profit of a growing centralising power.

Until recently, mankind lived a satisfying control of its decisions. But it is losing more and more the control of its own fate because of the growing use of advanced technologies, which lethal consequences on the earthly and human ecosystems become irreversible. You are slowly but surely losing your extraordinary capacity to make life desirable. Your resilience will artificially decrease, independently of your own will. Such technologies exist that affect your body as well as your mind. Such plans are on their way.

This can change as long as you keep this creative power in you, even if it cohabits with the dark intentions of your potential lords. This is the reason why we remain invisible. This individual power is doomed to vanish should a collective reaction of great magnitude not happen. The period to come is that of rupture, whichever it may be.

But should you wait for the last moment to find solutions ? Should you anticipate or undergo pain ?

Your history has never ceased to be marked by encounters between peoples who had to discover one another in conditions that were often conflictual. Conquests almost always happened to the detriment of others. Earth has now become a village where everyone knows everyone else but still conflicts persist and threats of all kinds get worse in duration and intensity.

Although a Human being as an individual, yet having many potential capacities, cannot exercise them with dignity. This is the case for the biggest majority of you for reasons that are essentially geopolitical.

There are several billion of you. The education of your children and your living conditions, as well as the conditions of numerous animals and much plant life are nevertheless under the thumb of a small number of your political, financial, military and religious representatives.

Your thoughts and beliefs are modelled after partisan interests to turn you into slaves while at the same time giving you the feeling that you are in total control of your destiny, which in essence is the reality.

But there is a long way between a wish and a fact when the true rules of the game at hand are unknown. This time, you are not the conqueror. Biasing information is a millenary strategy for human beings. Inducting thoughts, emotions or organisms that do not belong to you via ad hoc technologies is an even older a strategy.

Wonderful opportunities of progress stand close to big subdual and destruction threats. These dangers and opportunities exist now. However, you can only perceive what is being shown to you. The end of natural resources is programmed whereas no long-term collective project has been launched.

Ecosystem exhaustion mechanisms have exceeded irreversible limits. The scarcity of resources and their unfair distribution - resources which entry price will rise day after day - will bring about fratricide fights at a large scale, but also at the very heart of your cities and countrysides.

Hatred grows bigger but so does love. That is what keeps you confident in your ability to find solutions. But the critical mass is insufficient and a sabotage work is cleverly being carried out.

Human behaviours, formed from past habits and trainings, have such an inertia that this perspective leads you to a dead end. You entrust these problems to representatives, whose conscience of common well-being slowly fades away in front of corporatist interests, with those difficulties. They are always debating on the form but rarely on the content.

Just at the moment of action, delays will accumulate to the point when you have to submit rather than choose. This is the reason why, more than ever in your history, your decisions of today will directly and significantly impact your survival of tomorrow.

What event could radically modify this inertia that is typical of any civilisation ? Where will a collective and unifying awareness come from, that will stop this blind rushing ahead ?

Tribes, populations and human nations have always encountered and interacted with one another. Faced with the threats weighing upon the human family, it is perhaps time that a greater interaction occurred.

A great roller wave is on the verge of emerging. It mixes very positive but also very negative aspects.


Who are the "third party" ?

There are two ways to establish a cosmic contact with another civilisation: via its standing representatives or directly with individuals without distinction. The first way entails fights of interests, the second way brings awareness.

The first way was chosen by a group of races motivated by keeping mankind in slavery, thereby controlling Earth resources, the gene pool and human emotional energy.

The second way was chosen by a group of races allied with the cause of the Spirit of service. We have, at our end, subscribed to this disinterested cause and introduced ourselves a few years ago to representatives of the human power who refused our outstretched hand on the pretext of incompatible interests with their strategic vision.

That is why today individuals are to make this choice by themselves without any representative interfering. What we proposed in the past to those whom we believed were in a capacity to contribute to your happiness, we propose it now to ... you!

Most of you ignore that non-human creatures took part in the exercise of those centralising powers without them being neither suspected nor accessible to your senses. This is so true that they have almost very subtly taken control. They do not necessarily stand on your material plan, and that is precisely what could make them extremely efficient and frightening in the near future. However, be aware that a large number of your representatives are fighting this danger ! Be aware that not all abductions are made against you. It is difficult to recognize the truth !

How could you under such conditions exercise your free will when it is so much manipulated ? What are you really free of ?

Peace and reunification of your peoples would be a first step toward the harmony with civilisations other than yours.

That is precisely what those who manipulate you behind the scenes want to avoid at all cost because, by dividing, they reign! They also reign over those who govern you. Their strength comes from their capacity to distillate mistrust and fear into you. This considerably harms your very cosmic nature.

This message would be of no interest if these manipulators' tutorate did not reach its peak and if their misleading and murderous plans did not materialise in a few years from now. Their deadlines are close and mankind will undergo unprecedented torments for the next ten cycles.

To defend yourselves against this aggression that bears no face, you need at least to have enough information that leads to the solution.

As is also the case with humans, resistance exists amongst those dominant races. Here again, appearance will not be enough to tell the dominator from the ally. At your current state of psychism, it is extremely difficult for you to distinguish between them. In addition to your intuition, training will be necessary when the time has come.

Being aware of the priceless value of free will, we are inviting you to an alternative.


What can we offer ?

We can offer you a more holistic vision of the universe and of life, constructive interactions, the experience of fair and fraternal relationships, liberating technical knowledge, eradiction of suffering, controlled exercise of individual powers, the access to new forms of energy and, finally, a better comprehension of consciousness.

We cannot help you overcome your individual and collective fears, or bring you laws that you would not have chosen, work on your own selves, individual and collective effort to build the world you desire, the spirit of quest to new skies.


What would we receive ?

Should you decide that such a contact takes place, we would rejoice over the safeguarding of fraternal equilibrium in this region of the universe, fruitful diplomatic exchanges, and the intense Joy of knowing that you are united to accomplish what you are capable of. The feeling of Joy is strongly sought in the universe for its energy is divine.


What is the question we ask you ?

"DO YOU WISH THAT WE SHOW UP ?"


How to can you answer this question ?

The truth of soul can be read by telepathy. You only need to clearly ask yourself this question and give your answer as clearly, on your own or in a group, as you wish. Being in the heart of a city or in the middle of a desert does not impact the efficiency of your answer, YES or NO, IMMEDIATELY AFTER ASKING THE QUESTION! Just do it as if you were speaking to yourself but thinking about the message.

This is a universal question and these mere few words, put in their context, have a powerful meaning. You should not let hesitation in the way. This is why you should calmly think about it, in all conscience. In order to perfectly associate your answer with the question, it is recommended that you answer right after another reading of this message.

Do not rush to answer. Breathe and let all the power of your own free will penetrate you. Be proud of what you are ! The problems that you may have weaken you. Forget about them for a few minutes to be yourselves. Feel the force that springs up in you. You are in control of yourselves !

A single thought, a single answer can drastically change your near future, in one way as in another.

Your individual decision of asking in your inner self that we show up on your material plan and in broad daylight is precious and essential to us.

Even though you can choose the way that best suits you, rituals are essentially useless. A sincere request made with your heart and your own will will always be perceived by those of us whom it is sent to.

In your own private polling booth of your secret will, you will determine the future.


What is the lever effect ?

This decision should be made by the greatest number among you, even though it might seem like a minority. It is recommended to spread this message, in all envisageable fashions, in as many languages as possible, to those around you, whether or not they seem receptive to this new vision of the future.

Do it using in a humorous tone or derision if that can help you. You can even openly and publicly make fun of it if it makes you feel more comfortable but do not be indifferent for at least you will have exercised your free will.

Forget about the false prophets and the beliefs that have been transmitted to you about us. This request is one of the most intimate that can be asked to you.
Making a decision by yourself, as an individual, is your right as well as your responsibility !

Passivity only leads to the absence of freedom. Similarly, indecision is never efficient. If you really want to cling to your beliefs, which is something that we understand, then say NO. If you do not know what to choose, do not say YES because of mere curiosity. This is not a show, this is real daily life, WE ARE ALIVE ! And living !

Your history has plenty of episodes when determined men and women were able to influence the thread of events in spite of their small number.

Just like a small number is enough to take temporal power on Earth and influence the future of the majority, a small number of you can radically change your fate as an answer to the impotence in face of so much inertia and hurdles ! You can ease the mankind's birth to Brotherhood.

One of your thinkers once said: “Give me a hand-hold and I'll raise the Earth".

Spreading this message will then be the hand-hold to strengthen, we will be the light-years long lever, you will be the craftsmen to ... raise the Earth as a consequence of our appearance.

What would be the consequences of a positive decision ?

For us, the immediate consequence of a collective favourable decision would be the materialisation of many ships, in your sky and on Earth.

For you, the direct effect would be the rapid abandoning of many certitudes and beliefs.

A simple conclusive visual contact would have huge repercussions on your future. Much knowledge would be modified forever. The organisation of your societies would be deeply upheaved for ever, in all fields of activity. Power would become individual because you would see for yourself that we are living. Concretely, you would change the scale of your values !

The most important thing for us is that humankind would form a single family in front of this "unknown" we would represent !

Danger would slowly melt away from your homes because you would indirectly force the undesirable ones, those we name the "third party", to show up and vanish. You would all bear the same name and share the same roots: Mankind !

Later on, peaceful and respectful exchanges would be thus possible if such is your wish. For now, he who is hungry cannot smile, he who is fearful cannot welcome us. We are sad to see men, women and children suffering to such a degree in their flesh and in their hearts when they bear such an inner light.

This light can be your future. Our relationships could be progressive.

Several stages of several years or decades would occur: demonstrative appearance of our ships, physical appearance beside human beings, collaboration in your technical and spiritual evolution, discovery of parts of the galaxy.

Every time, new choices would be offered to you. You would then decide by yourself to cross new stages if you think it necessary to your external and inner well-being. No interference would be decided upon unilaterally. We would leave as soon as you would collectively wish that we do.

Depending upon the speed to spread the message across the world, several weeks, or even several months will be necessary before our "great appearance", if such is the decision made by the majority of those who will have used their capacity to choose, and if this message receives the necessary support.

The main difference between your daily prayers to entities of a strictly spiritual nature and your current decision is extremely simple :

we are technically equipped to materialise!


Why such a historical dilemma ?

We know that "foreigners" are considered as enemies as long as they embody the "unknown". In a first stage, the emotion that our appearance will generate will strengthen your relationships on a worldwide scale.

How could you know whether our arrival is the consequence of your collective choice ? For the simple reason that we would have otherwise been already there for a long time at your level of existence ! If we are not there yet, it is because you have not made such a decision explicitely.

Some among you might think that we would make you believe in a deliberate choice of yours so as to legitimate our arrival, though this would not be true. What interest would we have to openly offer you what you haven't got any access to yet, for the benefit of the greatest number of you ?

How could you be certain that this is not yet another subtle manoeuvre of the "third party" to better enslave you ? Because one always more efficiently fights something that is identified than the contrary. Isn't the terrorism that corrodes you a blatant example ?

Whatever, you are the sole judge in your own heart and soul ! Whatever your choice, it would be respectable and respected ! In the absence of human representatives who could potentially seduce into error you ignore everything about us as well as from about those who manipulate you without your consent.

In your situation, the precautionary principle that consists in not trying to discover us does no longer prevail. You are already in the Pandora's box that the "third party" has created around you. Whatever your decision may be you will have to get out of it.

In the face of such a dilemma, one ignorance against another, you need to ask your intuition. Do you want to see us with your own eyes, or simply believe what your thinkers say ? That is the real question!

After thousands of years, one day, this choice was going to be inevitable: choosing between two unknowns.

Why spread such a message among yourselves ?

Translate and spread this message widely. This action will affect your future in an irreversible and historical way at the scale of milleniums, otherwise, it will postpone a new opportunity to choose to several years later, at least one generation, if it can survive.

Not choosing, stands for undergoing other people's choice. Not informing others stands for running the risk of obtaining a result that is contrary to one's expectations. Remaining indifferent means giving up one's free will.

It is all about your future. It is all about your evolution.

It is possible that this invitation does not receive your collective assent and that, because of a lack of information, it will be disregarded. Nevertheless no individual desire goes unheeded in the universe.

Imagine our arrival tomorrow. Thousands of ships. A unique cultural shock in today's mankind's history. It will then be too late to regret about not making a choice and spreading the message because this discovery will be irreversible. We do insist that you do not rush into it, but do think about it ! And decide !

The big medias will not be necessarely interested in spreading this message. It is therefore your task, as an anonymous yet an extraordinary thinking and loving being, to transmit it.

You are still the architects of your own fate...

"DO YOU WISH THAT WE SHOW UP ?"
(source: http://www.geocities.com/changetheworld ... world1.htm)

SIGN ONLINE PETITION HERE :applause: : http://www.petitiononline.com/readynow/petition.html

God Bless! :D
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Post: # 10337Post NJones »

Hello Mannz,

Have you calibrated this using k-testing?
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Post: # 10338Post MannZ »

Yes, I have. 8) Glad you reminded me. It calibrates in the mid 400s.
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Post: # 10339Post NJones »

Very interesting, I can't seem to do it myself, always test negative, which is a shame as I would love to calibrate a certain passage from TP. It starts on page 76 with

‘Now, once and for always, we will teach you and provide you with what you
French call ‘the key to the mystery’.

and ends on page 82 with

‘We could have brought you to our planet in Astral body, but instead, we have
brought you here in physical body - and for an important reason. I see you
already understand our reason. This pleases us and we thank you for your
willingness to assist us in our task.’

Is it possible with k-testing to calibrate these pages?
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Post: # 10340Post MannZ »

Njones. Everything is possible to calibrate. The totality of the TP calibrates in the mid/higher 400s. So an outtake like those pages would probably not differ to much from that number... You need to get into a meditative state of clear mind in order to calibrate. The noise from your personal linear ego/mind must not interfere too much with the subtle signals coming from non-linear "the Mind (also called No-Mind)" and you must remain totally neutral to whatever results you get (that is most important and hard sometimes). Here is a quote from a post of mine regarding this on hawkins page:
The way I see it, both dowsing and the muscle testing method takes advantage of a process/principle I will try to describe below:

Since ultimately, everything is consciousness, everything that ever happened within this field of consciousness (i.e "All that is") is recorded. Dowsing and Hawkins K-test method takes advantage of this fact. The theory (as I have understood it) is that this "impersonal," all-pervading consciousness responds spontaneously (to truth) through each person's energy/meridian/muscular system by making it "go strong". The "no/negative" response is simply a "lack of response," i.e. it makes a person "go weak." The truth response is very rapid and "short-lived," like a sudden wave of extra "energy/power" flooding the system in a brief glimpse.

Thus, success in classic pendulum/rod dowsing depends on your ability to repeat or hold your "statement/question" in mind long enough so that the subtle impersonal muscle movements (originating from the all pervading field of consciousness) are "translated" to the grosser movement of the pendulum or rods as a "yes" or "no" response, which is then picked up consciously by the subject. By this, we can understand that the ability to "get out of your own way" is crucial; otherwise, the very subtle signals originating from the all-pervading non-linear consciousness will be polluted and overridden by the much stronger impulses (noise) from your own conscious/unconscious mind. Thus, if there is the slightest attachment to the outcome/results, the strong impulses of your personal ego/mind structure and its desires will easily override the subtle signals from the all-pervading, non-linear "Mind." The seemingly "weakest," most subtle signals represent the power of truth, and the "stronger" and grosser signals/impulses represent the force of untruth.

By this, it seems obvious that the higher you (and your partner) calibrate, the more accurate results will be obtained with either method (classic dowsing or K-testing) because the higher you go, the stronger your connection to the non-linear "Mind" and the more silent/peaceful/clean your personal mind is. But just as important as the ability to be centered/neutral is the ability to hold something "cleanly" in mind. In my experience, it is ONLY what one holds in mind that matters(!) (and notwhatever is verbalized). This can potentially account for a very large percentage of "strange" calibrations and of much inconsistency. I would really like other people's opinion on this!
It seems that we can crystallize some main factors regarding accuracy at this point:

1) You (and your partners) calibration (or the field of you both combined?).
(solution: grow goddammit!) :evil:

2) Knowledge about the subject of calibration.
(solution: study and be a good person) [-X

3) Your ability to be aware of what you hold in mind in a clean way.
(solution: practice the observer mode all the time) :shock:

4) Your ability to be centered and neutral.
(solution: meditate and just don't give a F***!) 8)

Being able to calibrate is a good motivator for spiritual work on yourself so keep practicing!
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Post: # 10341Post NJones »

Thanks for that Mannz, very interesting.

My reason for wanting to calibrate that passage is that it is spoken by the great Thaora. From the book I understand that the great Thaora and the others like him are as close to God as you can get. In fact it says they can fade in and out of physical existence to join with the Great Spirit in the ether.

So any words spoken by him must be the absolute truth and as Michel was "helped" to write this passage exactly as it was spoken to him then it seems to be it should calibrate extremely high (~1000?).

It might be interesting to try!
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Post: # 10344Post legiwei »

I've just signed the online petition :D Sure do hope that this do materialise. Imagine thousands of unknown spacecraft "invading" our skys one early morning (or night) and "outsiders" bringing shocks to the leaders of the world and speak the message of truth, love and sincerity. I wonder whether will there still be hope for us.
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Post: # 10346Post Robanan »

I signed the petition too, if it is true, then "the people who are empowered with the message" namely us, are going to need all the help we can get to change the world.

We can always save the world first and then debate our knowledge and beliefs after. :D
The essence of Consciousness, is the ability to Create, Process, Transmit and Receive Information Autonomously.
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Post: # 10347Post MannZ »

Thanks for that Mannz, very interesting.

My reason for wanting to calibrate that passage is that it is spoken by the great Thaora. From the book I understand that the great Thaora and the others like him are as close to God as you can get. In fact it says they can fade in and out of physical existence to join with the Great Spirit in the ether.

So any words spoken by him must be the absolute truth and as Michel was "helped" to write this passage exactly as it was spoken to him then it seems to be it should calibrate extremely high (~1000?).

It might be interesting to try!
Yes, that is an easy assumption to make. However, it must be taken into consideration that he is well aware of his "audience" (i.e people of Earth "the Kindergarten") when he says this. Thus, context must always be taken into consideration. I did calibrate it now, and it calibrated at about 450 - the level of Reason. He explains certain aspects of spiritual growth and afterlife etc. like you would explain love to a small child. The Handbooks of a new Paradigm I have talked about in another post calibrate much higher than the TP. Everything a Master says is not "the absolute truth", far from it. He is a Master also because he can adjust to all different levels.

In the Matthew Books (cal. 450s) (http://www.matthewbooks.com/mattsmessage.htm) which I really recommend if you liked the TP. Here you can learn a lot more about all the same things, and from many different beings from our galaxy and even beyond. And also you learn a lot about the afterlife of Earth and other places from Matthew who died in a car accident in 1980. The scale of consciousness seems to be denoted as different levels of "density" (or dimension) throughout this Universe. I have therefore translated this term in accord with Hawkins scale like this:

3. Density/Dimension: 140-270
4. Density/Dimension: 270-380
5. Density/Dimension: 380-480
6. Density/Dimension: 480-540
7. Density/Dimension: 540-1000
8. Density/Dimension: 1000-1700

(See my other post: http://www.goldenplanetforum.com/viewto ... 1&start=30)

Now, in one of the Matthew books Suzy "talks" to a 8.density being. "He" is androgyne just like the people of the Golden Planet. And the way he describes his homeplanet and life etc. it is not that unsimilar to what we learn from the TP. Very interesting books I can assure you. There are realms higher than 8. density, but I think that is the highest physical level so to speak. All this and much more is explained. And what I do love about these books is that they are so very true to the principle that everything (every myth etc.) has a point of origin and nothing excist by "accident" if you follow me. The books explain the fall of Lucifer for example and how this has effected the universe and our Planet to this day... If you want to know what is really going on behind the scenes, these books are a great way of learning it. Be quick however, for before you know it things are out in the open and no longer behind any scene 8).
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Post: # 10348Post Rezo »

something interesting related to different dimensions, is the information/story of James Gilliland. Anyone heard of/know his work? Interesting guy, seems down to earth, positive message there as well. I believe his videos are on google.
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Post: # 10350Post MannZ »

See my post here for your reply: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1101&p=10349#p10349
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Post: # 10380Post TempUser »

I Simply cannot express how I truly appreciate your spreading of this message.
Perhaps I don't understand it enough to truly appreciate it yet.
I said yes, though I admit there was hesitation, aside from that however, there was a true feeling of honesty and joy when I said it, shortly interrupted by my attempt to visualize results. I don't know why but it was hard for me to see it's feasibility. This is not to say I am in complete disbelief of the existence of the messenger, or the possibility of the mentioned outcome in the message. Read what I say careful for it might mislead you. I read the entire message, and loved it, I was lost at some parts due to my lack of attentive reading. That being said I do want to read it again and plan to meditate on it's entirety as I currently possibly can- tonight. I was just curious how this applies to a mentioned universal "law" in TP, it's been a while since I read TP and I must read it again since I do have the book(Thiaoouba Prophecy). But, I do recall Thao saying that they can only intervene to a limited extent. We might simply rely too much on their help and be hopeless without them. I can see some parts of the message which I understood to explain how they will go about this without helping us too much. But as I said I was selectively reading, so I was hoping you could clear this up for me. Would this not be against the purpose of the universe if they intervened? How can a kid learn to love his brother if he hasn't first fought him? Is it not usually the preachery or guidance of the parents that prolongs the fighting of the two? Guess they could be lacking in parenting though. But what will allow this? Permission by us is probably the obvious answer which I might have just given to my own question.. #-o .haha but I still am not all to sure in my guess. :oops: :roll:

Other than that, I also have a few other questions.
This ones a little...blah feeling but I was curious.
What rating do you calibrate the online movie "Zeitgeist" to be at, what about other related conspiracy movies such as "Terror Storm" by Alex jones, or "Loose Change"? They also mention the "third parties" but more specifically. It is hard to tell sometimes the truth or motives of these movies(especially after seeing the way it makes people act some not at all and the ones who do just blatantly yell hateful words on the internet)...it is hard atleast for me to decipher, whether or not it is the 3rd party trying themselves to mis inform people even more...I hope you know what I mean, movies like these some-what clear the blur but I still can't help but to question whether or not they simply prescribed me glasses.

Why do you think it is that you found the entire TP book to be calibrated at such a lower-than-expected rating? Perhaps for the same reason you explained The Great Thaora's message to be low? Wouldn't someone else calculate the calibration at a higher rating if they perhaps struggle in their attempts to calculate at a neutral level? I mean I honestly haven't developed the technique you guys refer to but I felt such truth, sincerity, joy, love, and intelligence to be emanating from every sentence in the book in almost everything said by the Thiaooubans. Once again this may be for the same reason you mentioned...but wouldn't such a low rating make people not take the message as seriously as some(or a lot I should say already haven't.)
Similar to the way people have taken your post about 2012 and the bigger picture(which I have yet to read all of but I do love you for posting it!). Why is yours(previously mentioned post) calibrated @ a lower level then it really is?

I think if we make the right connexions through people in the media messages like these(and especialy this one) can be spread massively but the way it is displayed might make it harder for some people with closed doors(and a do not disturb sign)to open those doors unless we were saying a knock knock joke. It would have to be presented in a certain manner but it would definitely need to be exactly the same in context. Though I no doubt guess the messengers have already considered it so maybe there shouldn't be any changes to the message at all? How can it then be represented? As a fictional movie with symbolic meaning, or a direct approach? Maybe I'm being too wishful and ignorant in not realising that the media is more strict and cautious on displayed material than I thought....

Sorry if this post was a little off the original topic or a bit uncomfortable. I have been lurking around here and there, came across several of your post and have only asked a FEW questions which I can remember wanting to say to you.

Once again thanks, I love you and I hope you can reply! [-o<
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These who want to appear as the message above heralds, are not the same people from Thiaoouba though.
I personally don't understand the magnitude and the plans of this alien civilization and what mission they want to fulfill on earth and which role we play in their picture of things that is.

What is this calibration thing about? I don't seem to be able to follow the clues given in the posts of this topic... :?
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Aaron I dont know in terms of other docs made, they seem to raise issues from logic but also can dip down to fear, anger and corage [courage can be good]...plus some may argue they too contain sensationalism as well. I think they also reflect what sort of influence mainstream media has, indirectly.

Robanan, the scale is from Dr. David R Hawkins map of consciousness, and you can find it at the '2012/big picture' thread, or on his website http://consciousnessproject.org/default.asp

MannZ did scale 'Thiaoouba' at 1700 [off the scale] on the 2012 big picture, in his first post - Perhaps he means the planet/people itself/themselves, versus the book [at 400 level]? Perhaps logic and love [love is only 100 more up!] are what is most needed on earth at the present time, according to them [?]. Bear in mind the scaling I assume is an *average* also, and may be the level that Earth has positive potential to get to, for the forseeable future that exists, maybe they chose to communicate on such a level so that we could better 'absorb' it?
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Post: # 10392Post Robanan »

Thanks rezo, The scaling seems to be an intresting thing indeed. I have a same theory like yours then, that a true experience of love and enlightment as in the context of the scale of consciousness is not achieved by TP nor (maybe) it can in any way be achieved by a book. This would mean to me that the consciousness scale as presented is in line to the fact that achievment of conscious experiences of love and enlightment may be achieved by the "individual" or group of "individuals" only.
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