It may actually be difficult to read whichever way I write it
! Hope that you realize by now that I use the '...' to suspend a thought and then proceed on to the more considerations related to the issue. Will work to abstain from using the that form. I understand what you imply with the statement "To ridiculous to be considered a truth". Beliefs tend to be such that they persists even when there be no rational to persist. I was fortunate to learn about this a while back. The persistent belief I used to hold on to was that it was impossible to have two identical copies of knowledge is separate minds.
Now, consider that from within a distorted twisted belief system straightening out becomes practically impossible and the straighten seems twisted. You have to twist the twisted just right to straiten it all. I like to substitute concepts to clarify issues; For example if I where to state that we need to focus on evil to do good then most would point at the inherent contradiction involved in focusing on bad seeking good. Still if I where to state that we need to focus on the problem to find a solution most would NOT point at the inherent contradiction. I mention this because I like to substitute 'the truth' 'what be desirable sustainable congruent" for Joshua. Take a look at part of the interaction you reported with this substitutions:
"Only 'what be desirable sustainable congruent' can rid us of our sins. (znip) All those who do not see 'what be desirable sustainable congruent' will be excluded."
The reason Jesus suffered was because those who suffer made Him suffer instead of embracing the divine ways of love. Jesus came to show us the divine ways of love and through the divine ways of love reconcile us and save us. He did that out of divine love, for divine love with divine love. Some feel they should suffer to be forgiven when to be forgiven one just has to ask and its up to 'the offended' to forgive or demand retribution. We may learn about our mistakes in the effects it has in others. Just as we may learn about making the right choice in the effects it has in and for others. *** we may learn from what others do and not do, and other possibilities like projecting unto others what we need to see in ourselves because its easier to see it in others. Some possibilities can remain forever as mere possibilities without us having to actually experience them to learn what we best to learn.
"If we messed up before, what is the point of humans to exist, why would God have any point in starting over with us anyway, since we seem only be able to destroy ourselves in the end."
Well because God loves us and wants us to make it in the end and can give us the time to make it right. To me the end will actually be the beginning of eternity. When you have all the time in the universe you eventually realize that only what be desirable sustainable congruent actually endures. After a while Death dies and life lives forevermore. Of course if this be the time to decide once and for all what direction to be in forevermore one better get it right.
You are likely right in claiming that there be more intelligence in most six year olds than that sect, or perhaps you don't understand yourself. Indeed 'Humans doubt EVERYTHING, except their own ignorance"... until they know better. It seems to me that at the core of everything, the crux of the matter, revolves around how to choose while ignorant. Some seek certainty even if it means embracing a delusion that they are certain does not exits. Ultimate our experience may stem from what we believe to be.