Monitoring Natural Disasters and Pollution Levels

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Re: Monitoring Natural Disasters and Pollution Levels

Post: # 11387Post ronald »

Another warning:
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/2/26/m ... anel_warns

It seems to me countless solutions have been explored except the easy one as described by Arki.
The initiation of this process would certainly be considered crazy by many if a few would only stop eating for such purpose.
Being beyond this point, what other methods could be effective in our situation to help us start a similar approach?
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a few studies I found interesting, take them or leave them:

A fair but not antagonistic answer [yet not to appease the following immediate view] to those saying "CO2 doesnt cause global warming, therefore manmade warming/climate/disruption doesnt exist" [acidification of oceans? - http://www.4engr.com/press/catalog/3798/index.html ]:

http://www.netl.doe.gov/technologies/ca ... onco2.html
http://www.deq.state.or.us/aq/climate/d ... Report.pdf

this report reveals the GWP or global warming potential / significance of each. Look at each, and examine how CO2 vs Sulfur-hexafluorides and HFCs, PFC's, and NMHCs, it stands out to me. Also notice, not as much of [if Im reading these right?] the HFCs, and SF6 s have to be up there to do the damage [overinsulation?] that they do...the kyoto protocol is 'supposed' to lower co2 and these others also. Now I'm no chemist at all but find it interesting that those who say CO2 is harmless mention the other chemicals in a car exhaust are eliminated before being spit out, due to the actions of the catalytic converter. Which *seems* true on the face of it...but its known car [and possibly non-mobile sourced] a/c's use HFCs, which also have high GWP.

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/03 ... _hone.html

however, the last sentence says a fluorine-based refridgerant for the a/cs would *reduce* the GWP [ :-k ]?

I find it rather interesting that fluoride is involved with high GWP ... Certainly its cheaper Im guessing, to produce such pollutants. Though I'd assume, impractically speaking, more of a chore to create them, i.e. aluminum production [?] although thats only my speculation from what I barely remember, since, in the case of other things like industrial food production, unhealthy or unsafe [over time] food and synthetic medication involves high volume production of artificial ingredients, which require many resources to produce. Again, another [this somewhat possibly more related] topic, but it brings up the ever-present $-rigging issue.

I may have mentioned this all before, not sure, couldnt find it in a search.

Ive recently read that the current modes of production for plasma-TV screens creates very high GWP chemicals. Incidentally regarding the point I just made about cars, the below article mentions that aspects of magnesium production in electrical hardware, is related to production of SF6s: "The demand for die-cast magnesium parts by the automotive industry is responsible for a major increase in emissions. Ironically, the auto industry is wanting more magnesium based components as they are lighter and therefore contribute to better fuel economy."

http://www.greenlivingtips.com/articles ... gases.html [nitrogen trifluorides, or NF3 s]
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Post: # 11440Post Robanan »

Could my suspicions that the word irriversible mentioned in the book is actually a keyword, be true?
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I would not like to put my house on fire and wait for proof of non reversibility, meanwhile suspecting something could be wrong.
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Post: # 11442Post Rezo »

I actually updated my previous post on SF6/HFC/PFCs above with another link I found.

Ever since I read the book, about what Arki's people [and it was only a small group, from one nation, on his planet] were mature, compassionate and responsible enough, and able enough to do, and then did it - Ive often wondered, 'what is it that prevents us from being successful in such a way'? Its obviously a combination of social factors, but the most obvious one that comes to mind is fear of what would-be important people think ...

We all live on this 'house' called earth. Knowing more about how it got this way, means learning how industries and certain individuals in key positions actually carried out their bringing of certain power systems to market, and suppressing others. Many think CO2 is no big deal and theres no risk to the Earth by man's activity. So, to clarify, I'm not trying to 'prove' anything, though maybe its semantics, I simply seek to clarify the background, so, letters or papers can be written [by scientists - and some exist already] to protest/educate/boycott somehow, to make a clearer connection [from the envt down to industry's workings]. Or, perhaps if we're too late, and we are lucky for a next chance / life, and are in a similar situation, somehow people could remember how it came about. And thats assuming all ET life breathes oxygen, and air and water, planetary orbit and plants are somewhat similar to Earth. But anyway...theres also as many know certain powerful groups that use global warming issue to create taxes, rather than actually clean anything up...so it might be important to know more of detalis, at least I think so.
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Oil, Coal, Auto Industry Lobbyist Lied About Global Warming For Years
Newly obtained documents reveal that a group that lobbied on behalf of the oil, coal and auto industry intentionally misled the public about the causes of global warming during the mid-nineties, The New York Times reports.

The Global Climate Coalition spent millions of dollars in the nineties running ads to convince the public that global warming was not caused by humans and that joining the Kyoto Protocol was a mistake. However, its own internal documents said, “The scientific basis for the Greenhouse Effect and the potential impact of human emissions of greenhouse gases such as CO2 on climate is well established and cannot be denied.”

Read the whole article at http://www.businessinsider.com/oil-coal ... ars-2009-4
Robanan wrote:I started this topic so as to involve as many people as possible toward a collective effort to gather and present evidence that would show:

1. Natural disasters have happened extremely frequently during the last century. Specially during the last few years.

2. Pollution levels are high, where, why, who is responsible, and the type of pollution.

3. The media are not acting with responsibility toward preserving the environment. (Different media giving different stistics regarding the same thing, incoherency in the information given, shadowy/incomplete information, coverups, misleading information, etc.)

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Post: # 11826Post Rezo »

found an 'old' site [doesnt seem to be getting any updates for a while] about earthquakes...

http://www.earthquakewarning.org/index.shtml

one section is 'bombs dont give warnings' - there's other references to biological detection and other things, that seemed interesting to me.
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Post: # 11883Post Rezo »

theres a lecture [march 2008] of global warming due to planet x point of view, as described by someone I recently heard was discussed on the kevin smith show. He's John R. Moore, and he made a film [of the lecture] called 'Global Warming: What the Government Isn't Telling You" [also can - currently- be seen on youtube].
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seismic monitoring equipment stolen

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http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in ... atu-people

Without monitoring equipment, how do you know it is an earthquake?
Does anyone know how to monitor and distinguish between natural and non natural occurring seismic vibrations?
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I dont know really, but piezoseismology instruments [detecting pressure at fault zones - do we already?] seem to be a good way to improve accuracy [David Berger / NewMexicoGeologist] of prediction at least.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XeMFHVGz5Y [NewMexicoGeologist]

anyhow he claims his methods and equipment have been around for years yet are not being utilized at large, but are ready to be. Could be [shrug]

oh yeah heres another one http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7277797.html [2007 patent - last 2 paragraphs for summary]
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Post: # 12202Post ronald »

..just found something interesting on EQ monitoring here: http://tornados2005.narod.ru/telepathy.htm

Go to section; #5. 4. Telepathic detectors of earthquakes (Zhang Heng seismograph) and here:
http://a.1asphost.com/Tapanui/newzealand.htm

ps . I'm not sure if it this info is reliable, have to read more about it :-k
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Post: # 12205Post Rezo »

another more recent development over piezosensors, are fiber optic sensors w/earthquakes. actual accuracy practically speaking I am not sure.

the actual name for the device you mentioned [ive seen the site before, briefly] is HouFeng DiDong Yi [ 候风地动仪 ] "instrument for measuring the seasonal winds and the movements of the Earth" 风 = wind, 地 = earth

brief video about it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcVFuIccf5c

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_an ... an_Dynasty

far as involving qi of the mind I couldnt begin to say. Ill need to read some more.
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Post: # 12211Post Rezo »

interesting, dr pajak seemed to think the didongyi must have actually functioned with flowing water, ie fountain-like operation.
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Post: # 12212Post ronald »

..interesting read. Reminds me of the water wizard and the internal friction of water and all the related electrical properties.
Indeed, a good idea to have an impending earthquake sensor build into mobile devices.
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Post: # 12393Post Rezo »

heres an audio interview from late 2008, regarding nitrotrifluorines in solar panels, hdtvs, computer parts [17k greater than co2 GWP]. Doesnt mean solar panels cant be used just a necessity to use better materials. Michael Prather explains:

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/lopate/2008/d ... l-warming/

and a SF6/NF3 article by James Sherwood:

http://www.reghardware.com/2008/07/03/n ... uoride_tv/
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