Bible: Did Jesus Teach About Reincarnation?

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Bastian
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Bible: Did Jesus Teach About Reincarnation?

Post: # 3998Post Bastian »

Just wanted to kick start some talk about whether Jesus taught about reincarnation. Here are some short notes / links.

== google ==
.. reincarnation bible john origen
.. reincarnation bible nicene nicea

== links: pro reincarnation ==
* Excellent information here about reincarnation, really really good
http://reluctant-messenger.com/origen.html

This is about Origen who was an early Christian proponent of reincarnation. Not much about reincarnation in this text however, except the writer believes the evidence is lacking in regards to whether Origen believed in rebirth / reincarnation.
Some good information about the kind of religious persecution that was going on at the time in the 3rd century eg: "But in 202 Origen's father was killed in the outbreak of the persecution" and "in 203 [..] Clement of Alexandria, was apparently driven out by the persecution"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origen


== links: against reincarnation ==
* rediculous arguments, and good info added that shoots himself in the foot
http://ccel.us/reincarnation.chap4.html

* more rediculous and fragile logic - these guys twist and wrest the scriptures in rediculous ways in an attempt to change what Jesus / Jehova actually said. Has some very useful verses mentioned which are worth reading.
http://www.xmark.com/focus/Pages/reincarnation.html


== council of nicea, AD 325 ==
This is one of the meetings of the early Catholic Church where some founding doctrines were declared and the christian belief in reincarnation was (supposedly) starting to be torn down.
In the book I think it was spelt 'Nicein' however this spelling is incorrect (the words 'nice' and 'in' were joined together accidentally).
Correct terms are: "The Council of Nicea", "The Nicene Council"

"Nicea, nevertheless, marked the beginning of the end of the concepts of both preexistence, reincarnation, and salvation through union with God in Christian doctrine. It took another two hundred years for the ideas to be expunged." -- from: http://reluctant-messenger.com/origen6.html
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Re: Bible: Did Jesus Teach About Reincarnation?

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*bump*
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Re: Bible: Did Jesus Teach About Reincarnation?

Post: # 10441Post Essene »

This leads me to one of my favorite quotes.

AND there was a certain man who was blind from his birth. And he denied that there were such things as Sun, Moon, and Stars, or that colour existed. And they tried in vain to persuade him that other people saw them; and they led him to Iesus, and he anointed his eyes and made him to see.
11. And he greatly rejoiced with wonder and fear, and confessed that before he was blind. And now after this, he said, I see all, I know everything, I am god.
12. And Iesus again said unto him, How canst thou know all? Thou canst not see through the walls of thine house, nor read the thoughts of thy fellow men, nor understand the language of birds, or of beasts. Thou canst not even recall the events of thy former life, conception, or birth.
13. Remember with humility how much remains unknown to thee, yea, unseen, and doing so, thou mayest see more clearly.
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Re: Bible: Did Jesus Teach About Reincarnation?

Post: # 10443Post Rezo »

wow I just wanna bump this whole thread, awesome stuff to learn here!

Theres plenty of older entries in the forum I haven't even noticed yet, this is certainly an important one :)
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