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Billy Meier's Henoch Prophecies; On Billy Meier

Post: # 3020Post Zark »

Some of this prophecy has already come to pass. We should try to verify whether the prophecy was published prior to 1990. If so, then the prophecy has been accurate so far. On the other hand, some predictions are very near at hand and we don't have to wait long..

There is some more info at the web site quoted below, including a summary of previous prophecies. Some of the future events described almost defy belief...

source: http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/H ... ecies.html
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THE HENOCH PROPHECIES
Presented by Quetzal
215th Contact, Saturday, February 28, 1987, 2.09 am
© Billy Meier/FIGU 2002–2004

Quetzal: …Before I give you a clear account of the prophecies of Henoch, I would like to point out that prophecies are always changeable and can be changed for the better if man makes positive changes in his thoughts, feelings and actions, leading to that which is better and positively progressive. Prophecies always rest upon specific causes; these again result in certain effects, whereby these effects can be changed at any time if only the preceding causes are changed in their form. Therefore, it is possible that negative or evil prophecies do not have to be fulfilled if the preceding causes will be purposely changed in a manner that positivity and good develop instead of negativity and evil.

However, this does not apply to predictions, as these rest upon events that cannot be changed, are inevitable and surely and definitely will occur in the future. Predictions rest upon a preview and thus on a direct viewing of the future, and have to do with neither prophecy nor with calculation of probability. So when I make a portion of Henoch's prophecies for the third millennium known to you, it does not mean that they have to be fulfilled, because the prerequisite of fulfilment in each case would be that the already existing causes continue to exist as also continue to be created in the future so that a fulfilment of the prophecies can come to pass.
Thus, provided that human beings of Earth will become reasonable, the possibility exists that by a reasonable change in the way of thinking as well as a reasonable development in feeling and an equally reasonable way of acting, everything changes for the better and positive, whereby prophecies do not have to be fulfilled. However, if this transformation does not occur, a very evil, wicked and negative time lies ahead for the Earth and its entire population in the coming new millennium.

Billy Meier: Since the Second World War, the thoughts, feelings and actions of the human being of Earth have changed much towards the positive and good, but all that achieved is not enough in my opinion, as the great transformation towards the better has not been achieved yet, neither by the mighty of this world nor all of mankind of Earth itself. In the years gone by, you have made many predictions and calculations of probability as well as mentioned prophetic facts concerning the economic, military and political situation on Earth, whereby I was requested to spread this information—which I indeed have done. Governments and newspapers, radio stations as well as TV stations and many private persons worldwide were informed by me. But the entire effort did not achieve anything, because up to now mankind has carried on in the old manner and has paid no attention whatsoever to prophecies, predictions and calculations of probability.
And the same will most likely be the case in the future, when I receive permission from you in the coming time to spread the prophecies of Henoch for the third millennium. But, nevertheless, I feel that Henoch's message for the future must be made known and distributed, because somehow it may bear fruit yet.

Quetzal: You apparently never give up hope. Your optimism is honourable and deserves to be heard by human beings, but the way things have developed throughout this century there is not too much hope that human beings of Earth will come to their senses and heed your words. This will then be the case only when the prophecies prove to be true or, even worse, have already come to pass. Probably only then will the time come when the defamations against you will end in regard to your contacts with us, although they will long continue to be vehemently disputed by your enemies as well as by pathological know-it-alls and critics who dismiss them as swindle, lies and fraud. The full truth about our contacts with you will be proven in the distant future, and then mankind will accept our help we offer through you—even when they erroneously assume we come from the seven-star system known to human beings of Earth as the Pleiades. [The Plejaren claim to live in the Plejares, an altered time-space configuration about 80 light-years beyond the Pleiades. MH]

Billy: Semjase and Ptaah already explained this to me. But tell us now what the new millennium will bring to human beings of Earth and the planet Earth according to the prophecies of Henoch.

Quetzal: I will do that in a moment, but I would like to explain before beginning that I am not authorised to give exact indication of years in an official manner.

If the human being of Earth continues to live in the same way as he has done up to now—forming his thoughts and feelings in the same manner, indulging in the same actions as he has hitherto—then the words of the prophecies of Henoch could not be any clearer.

The point in time at which these prophecies will begin to be fulfilled will be when a Pope will no longer reside in Rome. All of Europe will then fall victim to a terrible punishment by evil powers. The Christian religion will collapse and the churches and monasteries will end up in ruins and ashes.
Monstrous forces will be created by science and will be released by the military forces and armies as well as by terrorists, causing great destruction. Millions and even billions of people will be killed by acts of terrorism, by wars and civil wars; and finally, in some parts of the world, every third human being, and, in other places, every fourth human being, will lose his or her life. The nations of the East will rise against the nations of the West, the West against the East. Many deaths will be inflicted upon the people by fighter and bomber aircraft, and bombs and rockets will destroy and annihilate smaller and larger villages and cities.

The people will be completely powerless against all this and will live through 888 days of Hell on Earth, suffering hunger and plagues which will claim even more lives than the war itself. The time will be severe as never before experienced on Earth. Ultimately, nothing can be bought or sold any longer. All provisions will be rationed; and if a human being steals even a small piece of bread, he/she will have to pay for it with his/her life. Many waters will mix with human blood and turn red, as once in the past the Nile in Egypt turned red with blood.
And it will be that the fanatics of Islam will rise up against the countries of Europe and all will shake and quiver. Everything in the West will be destroyed; England will be conquered and thrown down to the lowest level of misery. And the fanatics and warriors of Islam will retain their power for a long time. However, not only Europe will be affected but ultimately all the countries and peoples of the Earth, as the great horror expands to a war that will encompass the entire world.

After the turn of the millennium, the papacy will exist only a short period. Pope John Paul II is the third from last in this position. After him, only one additional pontificate will follow. Then a Pontifex Maximus follows who will be known as Petrus Romanus. Under his religious rule, the end of the Catholic Church will come, a total collapse becoming inevitable. That will be the beginning of the worst catastrophe that will ever have befallen the human beings and the Earth. Many Catholic clerics, priests, bishops, cardinals and many others will be killed and their blood will flow in streams. But also the reformed version of Christianity will become just as infinitely small, as does Catholicism.

Horrifying weapons and a possible world war

Due to the fault of scientists, enormous power will be seized by the power-hungry and their military, their warriors and terrorists, and power will be seized as well through laser weapons of many types, but also via atomic, chemical and biological weapons. Also concerning genetic technology, enormous misuse will occur, because this will be unrestrainedly exploited for the purposes of war, not lastly due to the cloning of human beings for warring purposes, as this was practised in ancient times with the descendants of Henoch in the regions of Sirius.
However, this will not be all of the horrors; as besides the genetic technology and the chemical weapons, far worse and more dangerous and more deadly weapons of mass destruction will be produced and will be used. The irresponsible politicians will unscrupulously exercise their power, assisted by scientists and obedient military forces serving them, who together hold a deadly sceptre and will create clone-like beings which will be bred in a total lack of conscience and will be scientifically manipulated to become killer machines. Division by division and devoid of any feelings, they will destroy, murder and annihilate everything.

The USA will set out against the Eastern countries ahead of all other financial states and simultaneously she will have to defend herself against the Eastern intruders. In all, America will play the most decisive role, when in the guise to strive for peace and to fight against terrorism she invades many countries of the Earth, bombs and destroys everything and brings thousandfold deaths to the populations. The military politics of the USA will likewise know no limits, as neither will their economic and other political institutions which will be focused on building and operating a world police force, as it is the case already for a long time [sic]. But that will not be enough, and, in the guise of a so-called peaceful globalisation, American politics will aspire to gain absolute control of the world concerning supremacy in economy.

And this will point towards the possibility that a Third World War could develop from it, if human beings as a whole will not finally reflect upon reason, become reasonable and undertake the necessary steps against the insane machinations of their governments and military powers as well as their secret services, and call a halt to the power of the irresponsible who have forsaken their responsibility in all areas.

If this does not happen, many small and great nations will lose their independence and their cultural identity and will be beaten down, because the USA will gain predominance over them and with evil force bring them down under her rule. At first, many countries will howl with the wolves of the US, partially due to fear of American aggressions and sanctions, as will be the case with many, many irresponsible [ones] in Switzerland and Germany but also of other countries. In part, others will join in because they will be forced somehow to do so or will be misled by irresponsible promoters of American propaganda.

Finally, many Asian, African and European states will rise up against the American hegemony, once they recognise that the United States of America is only taking advantage of them for purposes of war, conquest and exploitation. In this way, many countries will become puppet states of America before reason and realisation will emerge in the responsible ones of governments and in many of the population, resulting in a turning away from the USA.

However, the great war will hardly be avoidable because the human beings of Earth will probably not accept the directions towards the better, therewith towards true love, true freedom and real peace, striving instead only towards wealth, pleasure and riches and for all manner of material values and unrestricted power. Thus, huge and deadly formations of tanks will roll across the countries while fighter planes and rockets sweep through the air and bring death, ruin, destruction and annihilation to countries and people.
If the Third World War will actually happen—as calculations and observations appear to indicate to be probable now and also during the approaching few decades—then, as now, the civilian population will above all have to bear the brunt of the enormous suffering in tremendous numbers in this entire catastrophe and, last but not least, the fault of the irresponsible scientists who by cloning will create human machines for military purposes, devoid of conscience and feelings, and will create immensely deadly and all-annihilating computer-like weapons. At the same time, the danger could become reality that the human combat machines, the military clones, will gain their independence and under their own management will bring death, devastation, destruction and annihilation to the human beings of Earth and to the planet.

The entire planet will become an arena of unparalleled suffering, which will never have existed before on Earth up to that time. The cruel happenings will last about 888 days and cause civilisation to collapse. Yet, the terrible scenario will continue, and epidemics and various diseases as well as enormous famine will be spread among the people, while the economy of the world will totally collapse and there will be no possibility to produce any goods. All foods and medications will be rationed.

The insanity of war will extend not only across the land, but the disaster will equally be spread to the oceans, into the atmosphere, even into outer space. But there will also be settlements under the ocean that will be developed in the course of the future and these will be attacked and destroyed, claiming the lives of many thousands of people. However, a certain maelstrom of destruction will also originate from the undersea facilities; because in the cities at the bottom of the ocean, groups of submarine pirates will be formed which will burst upwards from the depths of the ocean and will become involved in destructive actions of combat with naval units on the surface.

And at this time, the possibility could become reality that extraterrestrial forces intervene against the Western industrialised countries, because these will be responsible for the extreme and enormous disaster of the coming evil times. These extraterrestrial forces will give up their anonymity and their state of secrecy and will assist those who are being terrorised by the irresponsibly acting Western countries, should this possibility become reality.
In addition, apocalyptic natural catastrophes will occur which will cause all of Europe to shake and tremble; but Europe will continue to exist, even after having suffered enormous destruction.

Destruction in North America

Far in the West, it will be different; the United States of America will be a country of total destruction. The cause for this will be manifold. With her global conflicts which are continuously instigated by her and which will continue far into the future, America is creating enormous hatred against her, worldwide, in many countries. As a result, America will experience enormous catastrophes which will reach proportions barely imaginable to people of Earth. The destruction of the WTC, i.e., the World Trade Center, by terrorists will only be the beginning.

Yet all the apocalyptic events will not only be brought about due to the use of unbelievably deadly and destructive weapons—such as chemical, laser and others—and by cloned murder machines; but in addition to this, the Earth and nature, maltreated to the deepest depths by the irresponsible human beings of Earth, will rise up and cause destruction and bring death onto the Earth. Enormous firestorms and gigantic hurricanes will sweep over the USA and bring devastation, destruction and annihilation, as this from time immemorial never before will have happened [sic].

Not only will America, but also all other Western industrial countries which still live at the beginning of the new millennium in the delusion that they could dominate and rule over underdeveloped nations, i.e., Third World countries, will not only soon lose influence over these but must defend themselves against them.

According to the prophecies of Henoch, the truth about industrialised countries is that they only seem to appear to be true civilisations, but in fact they are not; because more and more, at the end of the 20th century and at the beginning of the third millennium, they will disregard all true love, true freedom and true wisdom as well as true peace along with all values of humaneness and all values of men's and women's true being.

But not even all the terrible happenings will hinder the USA in continuing to proceed with her actions against all countries. Even when the North American continent will be stricken by the most terrible catastrophe which has ever been recorded, evil military powers will wreak havoc with computerised and nuclear, biological and chemical weapons, whereby it will also happen that computerised weapons become independent and cannot be controlled any longer by human beings. Overall, this is the most important part of Henoch's prophecies.

Epidemics, conflicts and disasters

Billy: There is still more to it; at least that is what you told me.

Quetzal: You are untiring; so I will point out a few more important facts of the prophecies. As of now, new epidemics have spread among the people of Earth; however, as Henoch prophesied, quite a number of further epidemics will follow. Not only AIDS will occur worldwide in the 1990s, but also epidemics such as the so-called "mad cow disease", i.e., BSE, out of which different strains of Creutzfeldt–Jakob syndrome will develop, lasting well into the new millennium. Also, an epidemic known as Ebola will cause many deaths, as well as other unknown epidemics and diseases which will sporadically arise in epidemic proportions and will be new to the human being, causing great concern.

However, most of the evil will be brought about by politics. France and Spain become involved with each other in armed conflicts, and even before World War Three will have broken out. Yet France will not only engage in armed conflicts with Spain, for within her great unrests will arise, leading to upheavals and civil war, as [will be] the case in Russia and Sweden. Especially in France and Sweden, machinations as well as dictatorial regulations of the European Union will cause much unrest and many uprisings; but also crimes committed by gangs and organised criminal elements in these countries will cause unavoidable civil wars.

In addition, significant tensions will arise between the native citizens and immigrants from foreign countries, who as a rule also observe religious beliefs different from those of the native populace. And in the end, this will lead to severe conflicts. Hatred against strangers, foreigners and people of different religious beliefs will be the order of the day, as well as the rise of neo-Nazism, terrorism and right-extremism. Conditions similar to civil war will be in England, Wales and Northern Ireland and claim many lives.
The Soviet Union will be dissolved in this decade or at the latest by the beginning of the next. The man decisive for this action will be Mikhail Gorbachev. But this will not lead to rest, because the new Russia will continue its longstanding conflict with China over Inner Mongolia, with the result that Russia will lose a portion of this territory to China. And China becomes dangerous, especially to India, as also at this time China maintains uneasy relations with her. China will attack India; and if biological weapons are used, around 30 million human beings will be killed in the area of and around New Delhi alone. However, this will not be the end yet—because the effect of biological bombs and missiles, etc., used cannot be controlled at that time, and terrible epidemics unknown up to that point in time will arise and will spread quickly to many areas. Also Pakistan will allow herself to be misled to instigate a war against India, which will be especially dangerous in view of the fact that both countries are developing atomic weapons.


Wars and devastation in Europe and North America

Yet Russia will not rest and will attack Scandinavia, and in doing so will embroil all of Europe. And months before that, a terrible tornado will have swept across northern Europe, causing great devastation and destruction. It must still be stated that the Russian attack will occur during the summer, in fact, starting from Arhangelsk. Denmark will not be dragged into the war, due to the insignificance of this country. Yet Russia will not be satisfied with this action of war, as her will for expansion will be ravenous. And consequently Russia will launch a military attack against Iran and Turkey and will conquer these two countries in bloody fighting, causing enormous destruction.

In the Russian expansionist mentality will also be included the drive to gain control of the Middle Eastern oil deposits as well as to gain control of the southeastern region of Europe. Therefore, she will also invade the Balkans and conquer these countries there in enormous battles, causing ruthless and devastating destruction with many deaths.

This will be at the time that tremendous natural disasters will hit Italy and its people, causing severe hardship. But this will also be at the time when Vesuvius could become active again and could spread tremendous havoc. At the same time, a war will shake Italy and claim many human lives as well as cause great destruction.

Destruction of war will descend on the northern countries as strong military forces will invade them from the East and will pillage and murder as well as use bombs and missiles, like hail coming down, and hitherto unknown weapons of laser- and computer-controlled types which will destroy and annihilate everything, whereby the first target will be Hungary and after that will follow Austria and northern Italy. Switzerland will also be severely affected, but will not be the actual target; this will be France and Spain. However, the main objective of the aggressors will be to bring all of Europe under their military control, and for that purpose France will be selected to be the headquarters.

France will not only be invaded by the aggressors from the outside, but will also be conquered from within as a result of collaborative forces and other forces. This can be envisioned as being the many foreigners of a different religion living in France at that time, and specifically Islam, which will be this force working from within. Once France has fallen, a war to conquer Spain and England will take place. Subsequently, an alliance with the forces of the aggressors will be formed, which will invade Scandinavia.

For all these French-based military operations, the weapons of mass destruction stored in the arsenals of France will be used and cause evil devastation, destruction and annihilation. The aggressors from the East will force the French Army to join their military forces and lead a war of conquest against the northern countries of Europe, invading and conquering Sweden and Norway. Subsequently, these northern countries will be annexed by Russia. Military forces will also attack Finland, whereby many will be killed and an enormous destruction will be caused.

At the same time, as a civil war rages in Germany, an enormously bloody revolution will break out in England which will claim more lives than will be claimed by the civil war in Germany. And because England and Ireland have been at war for a long time already, due to the IRA and the police and military forces of England, the result will be (because this feud will continue up to that time) that this revolution will spread out to all of Ireland, especially affecting Northern Ireland. Many lives will be lost during a civil war in Wales, where differences between various parties will arise before the Third World War. Welsh and English forces will clash especially near Cymru, and claim many lives and cause great destruction.

But death, destruction and annihilation will not only rage in Europe but also in America, where much suffering will have to be endured and many deaths as well as destruction and annihilation will be. America and Russia will have the most terrible weapons of mass destruction at their disposal—a fact which is already the case to a certain extent today—and will clash with violent force against each other at that time of conflict, whereby Canada will also be dragged into this conflict. The source of this conflict will substantiate the Russian attack on the American State of Alaska and against Canada.
This conflict will result in mass killings of human beings as well as devastating destruction, annihilation and epidemics, etc., which mankind of Earth will never have seen and experienced up to that time. Not only nuclear, biological and chemical weapons will be used en masse, but also enormously deadly systems of computer-controlled weapons that are only in the beginning stages of development today, or will be invented and constructed during the third millennium.

Worldwide natural catastrophes

As already mentioned, enormous natural catastrophes and rolling walls of fire and violent hurricanes will rage all across America, while, in addition, all the terrible effects of war will bring thousandfold deaths, destruction and annihilation. America's largest cities will be absolutely destroyed, and firestorms will cause great disaster and misery.

Severe earthquakes and volcanic eruptions will also belong to that time, and these will cause much suffering and misery and deaths besides enormous destruction and devastation, as all of nature and the planet itself will rise up against the insanity of human beings on Earth. However, tornadoes, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions will not only rage in America, but also in Europe and in the rest of the world.

These activities have already begun at the present time, also during the past decades—with the exception that they will become increasingly more devastating in the future. And man of Earth is guilty for the most part today, as also in the future it is man who will destroy the entire environment—all of nature, the atmosphere, water and all the resources of the planet.
And through this, a shifting of weight inside the Earth takes place, caused for example by the creation of gigantic lakes by damming and by creating hollow caverns due to the exploitation of petroleum and gas, etc. And thereby unnatural inner-Earth movements are created, which also lead to unnatural tectonic effects and cause earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, which also in turn cause enormous climatic changes, resulting in horrendous tornadoes of devastating proportions which in the end will set their destructive energies free on the entire world. All of this will lead to increasingly horrible floods and unusually massive snowfalls which will advance to the southern countries and finally even to the equatorial regions, because through the insanity of human beings the Earth has begun unnoticeably to spin [strangely] as a consequence of atomic explosions inside and on the surface of the Earth. And this will be the reason that the planet will slowly but surely enter an extraordinary spinning orbit around the Sun, while the first phase is already occurring, which causes a change in climate, leading to a new ice age.


Civil wars and anarchy in America

Yet the misery on Earth will continue, as two terrible civil wars will break out in America, whereby one will follow the other. Afterwards, the United States of America will break apart and deadly hostility will prevail among her, which then leads to the division into five different territories; and it cannot be prevented that sectarian fanatics will play a dictatorial role.

Anarchy will be the worldwide condition that will prevail and torment human beings over a long period of time, as human beings will also be tormented by the many epidemics and diseases, many of them new and unknown to human beings and for this reason incurable. Due to this fact, the bodies of many human beings will slowly and miserably decay, while unbearable pain will also occur as well as blindness and terrible respiratory problems that lead to suffocation. The consciousness of many human beings will become impaired and succumb to feeblemindedness and insanity. And all these gruesome occurrences will be traceable to biological and chemical weapons, which are the cause of not fast, but gruesome and slow deaths; and this will also occur due to the use of ray and frequency weapons which are already being developed today.

Finally, the words of Henoch may be specifically mentioned, which include that mankind of Earth, in pursuit of technology for mass destruction and greed for power, hatred, vengeance and riches, will ignore all values of Creation and will trample upon all values of love, wisdom, freedom and peace, as ancestors of the Henoch lineage have done before, to plunge the world into screaming misery, death, destruction and annihilation and into the most severe catastrophes mankind of Earth will ever have experienced. ?

About the Author:
Michael Horn is the authorised American media representative for the Billy Meier Contacts and has researched the case for over 25 years. He is a lecturer, writer and frequent guest on radio and TV. Michael is scheduled to speak at the Bay Area UFO Expo in San Francisco in August and at the Unconventional Convention in Las Vegas in November.

Editor's Note:
The information here is just a fraction of that given to Billy Meier. For more details, and for the complete text of the Henoch prophecies, visit the website http://www.theyfly.com.
The Henoch Prophecies are copyright © 2002–2004 Billy Meier/FIGU (Freie Interessengemeinschaft für Grenz und Geisteswissenschaften und Ufologiestudien [Free Community of Interests in Fringe and Spiritual Sciences and Ufological Studies), Semjase Silver Star Center, CH-8495 Schmidrüti ZH, Switzerland. For more information, go to website http://www.figu.org.
The complete Henoch Prophecies, as well as more predictions from the 251st Contact, can be found in Guido Moosbrugger's 2004 book, And Still They Fly! (the second edition of And Yet They Fly!, 2001). Both the book and the new DVD, The Meier Contacts – The Key To Our Future Survival (see review, NEXUS 11/03), are available directly from http://www.theyfly.com, or contact Michael Horn, PO Box 5163, Playa del Rey, California 90296, USA, email michael@theyfly.com. Also see Michael Hesemann's interview, "Billy Meier's ET Contacts Are Real, Says His Son", in Twilight Zone, NEXUS 7/02.
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Post: # 3021Post Vesko »

Although this prophecy was written in 1987, I think the information in it that has come to pass had been guessed by Meier just reading/watching books and the massmedia at the time. Having read some other writings by Meier, I have the same feeling about them, too. I think he reads and digs stuff, does estimations, and writes it down as if aliens told it to him. Of course, I cannot prove my words. I know of the Meier case since 2002. I was initially very interested to learn of another first-hand encounter of a third kind, but after reading some of his other prophecies (not the above) I felt they are either too incredible (some of them talk of the distant future in incredible detail -- and I wonder, why have the aliens provided so much detail for the distant future if this detail may change, as they themselves say?), or they can be gotten right based on information that is present in books and the massmedia at the time of their writing.
In 2002, I had a couple of email exchanges with Michael Horn informing him of Michel's book. I had just listened to an online interview with him on Art Bell (http://www.coasttocoastam.com). In his responses to me, he pointed out the physical proof Meier had been supposedly provided with, or had supposedly helped find, such as a so-called Talmud of Immanuel. He told me Meier had documented material proof spanning decades and which Michel lacked, thus Michel was the dubious one. I clearly remember he really dismissed Michel, and said Michel was in effect trying to steal the thunder from Meier. It is also notable that Horn dismissed Tom's chakra garments. He said that black, for example, is not harmful, as Tom says, because the black colour keeps the energy close to the body and martial arts experts use it with success. Fair enough, however, isn't Tom's claim based on scientifically proven Kirlian research?

Whatever the truth about Billy Meier (I have a strong belief it is completely fake, but I am not biased, and I do not want to make unwarranted statements, because I do not have solid proof against Meier), I'd like to point out that Meier's writings are similar to Michel's only at first sight. For example, Earth's distant history according to Meier is completely different. He states we have been engineered by extraterrestrials to be genetic hybrids between monkeys and another animal. He also says we have been engineered by those aliens to be limited to about 100 years of age, but that limitation, Meier prophesies, will be removed by scientists in the future.

I will leave you to Michael Horn's own words if it can help you to orient yourselves better: http://www.gaiaguys.net/UFOMAGHornMeier.htm.

P.S. You will notice Meier's insistence that he is the only genuine contactee in the world. Also, his claim that Immanuel (that's the real Jesus), Mohammed and also the Biblical prophets apart from Jesus -- like Enoch and others, are one and the same person!

You will also notice Horn's insistence that Meier does not profit greatly. I am not sure, of course. What is beyond doubt, however, is that Meier has formed an official organisation, FIGU (http://www.figu.org), and as you can see from its site, it has a price list, selling various things. Again, I am not accusing Meier or Horn of anything, just considering objective information.

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Post: # 3032Post Marcus »

I will leave you to Michael Horn's own words if it can help you to orient yourselves better: http://www.gaiaguys.net/UFOMAGHornMeier.htm.

P.S. You will notice Meier's insistence that he is the only genuine contactee in the world. Also, his claim that Immanuel (that's the real Jesus), Mohammed and also the Biblical prophets apart from Jesus -- like Enoch and others, are one and the same person!

You will also notice Horn's insistence that Meier does not profit greatly. I am not sure, of course. What is beyond doubt, however, is that Meier has formed an official organisation, FIGU (http://www.figu.org), and as you can see from its site, it has a price list, selling various things. Again, I am not accusing Meier or Horn of anything, just considering objective information.
Vesko, I remember discussing this a couple of years ago with you.
The above quote being said it is blatantly obvious what the truth is. :shock:
To quickly dismiss Michels account is plain ignorant too :?

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Post: # 3055Post Zark »

Wow vesko, thanks for the insights :-). I was actually wondering whether maybe this guy was just mixing recent history with wild predictions and selling them as if the predictions were made in 1987. I had to post it though, it was too interesting to pass up :-).

Sorting the wheat from the chaff is worthwhile .. cheers,
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Post: # 3907Post jamen »

Unfortunately the Henoch prophecies could be true, check this link about what the USA is developing...
What a shame :cry:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050709/ap_ ... gy_weapons
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Post: # 3909Post bomohwkl »

I think come across Billy Meier a few years ago.
I think one of the reasons that I dont adopt Billy Meier's philosophy/idea is because it propagates too much fear. I am not going to list all the reasons to prove to other people otherwise. I think it is an individual effort to sort out the mess in the information we received.

How many prediction that Thiaoouba Prophecy has given compared with Billy Meier? How many things that Billy Meier has given that can verify independently completely yourself? There are aliens around and living in Earth. Their intentions are not clear. I think, the best way is to use Tom's simple information filter.
Unfortunately the Henoch prophecies could be true, check this link about what the USA is developing...
What a shame

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050709/ap_ ... gy_weapons
Aiya, I am a scientist. The idea of using directioanal electromagnetic pulse to kill or stun people is nothing new. The idea has been there since the invention of Maser. The problem is the very large size( because of the inefficiency of the system) of the weapon making it impractical for warfare. Even kid can imagine this kind of weapon, the proof is myself.I just wonder what make the invention of directed_energy_weapons so true about Henoch prophecies............
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Vesko wrote:You will notice Meier's insistence that he's the only genuine contactee in the world.
Yes indeed, and for me that shame is the reason that I have doubted Meier's story since when I came across it not very long ago.

But if the Pleiadians exist then I would guess they don't live on a planet of the ninth category. So despite their relative supiority, they as well as us can make errors, and it may be possible that the Pleiadians made errors with some things they really told Meier.

And what do you people think of his spaceship pictures? He's got al lot and they seem real don't they? I don't know what to think about it.
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And what do you people think of his spaceship pictures? He's got al lot and they seem real don't they? I don't know what to think about it.
I think some of his spaceship photos have been proven to be fakes

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/8148/scam.html

It's not that hard nowadays to fake pictures, you can use Photoshop to create very real but fake images

It's interesting how Michael and Billy Meier's philosophy on proof differ, Michael relies on the truth in TP's messages, whereas Meier relies on material proof (i.e. UFO photos)
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Supposedly the ones appearing in the 70's couldn't be fake, Meier's supporters say, because they have been supposedly determined not to be fake by some experts, and forging technology was not commonly accessible at the time. But given how easy it is, for example, to bribe someone to vouch for the authenticity or value of something, how reliable is that? Personally I am not convinced, and I am far more convinced by Michel's lack of material proof (in conjunction with the lack of contradictions IMHO in his book, of course).

Here are appropriate verses from Matthew's Gospel, KJV Bible, that, unsurprisingly, tie directly with the no-material-proof policy of the Thiaooubans:
Mt 16:1
The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.
Mt 16:2
He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.
Mt 16:3
And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
Mt 16:4
A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
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Post: # 4060Post Bastian »

Vesko wrote:Mt 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
FYI, This is what the sign of the prophet Jonas was:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Quotes like the two above are treated as tacit approval for the related books, in this case the related book is called 'Jonah' in the old testament.

The "three days in the heart of the earth" is traditionally seen as a reference to his resurrection after three days. Consider:
Hosea 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

... and also from TP pg 101 :
When the physical body dies, the Astral being is liberated. These people also know it and celebrate the event. In three days time, the Astral body of the King will leave Earth to rejoin the Great Spirit, for this King has conducted himself in an exemplary manner during this final life on Earth, despite very difficult responsibilities and tasks required of him.’
On the other hand, in the bible whenever there is some prophecy regarding the future then a day will typically mean a year. This is done consistantly, and I am not aware of a counter example. The first quote looks like a reference to a future event, so I think this cipher may apply. Interestingly, this may also support the TP version of events, since Jesus (Aarioc) spent about 3 years on earth doing his 'miracles', healings and (last but not least) teaching.
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InfoSource wrote:I think some of his spaceship photos have been proven to be fakes
That was a great link, hope you don't mind if I paste a few quotes from it here :-)
from http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/8148/scam.html
With the assistance of members from the Hollywood special effects team of the UltraMatrix Corporation we studied the Meier photographs and claims made by Meier's Talmud Jmmanuel, Genesis III Publishing, Light Years by Gary Kinder, The Pleiadian Connection by Randolf Winters, and the movie Contact. We also spent considerable time tracking the claims of "computer expert" and "Ph.D." Jim Dilettoso, as well as claims made through Michael Hesemann by Guido Moosbrugger from Meier's FIGU cult in Switzerland.

After six months of intense inquiry, with the assistance of cinematographers, physicists, and computer analysts from TotalResearch, we found the claims of the representatives of the Meier case to absolutely untrue. We discovered miniature models, and a variety of deceptive methods used to create this hoax. Additionally, an undercover "hidden camera" investigation penetrated the Meier cult in Switzerland, revealing irrefutable scientific evidence of FRAUD.

Underground Video was one of the foremost defenders of the Meier material. We are DISAPPOINTED to now learn the ENTIRE case is a hoax. Representations of any authenticity with regard to this case made by alleged scientific examination has proved to be totally unreliable and misleads the general public into believing a carefully fabricated lie. The persons who authenitcated the Meier case are not credible scientists nor investigators.
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After computer enhancement and careful scrutiny, it has been shown the Beamship is really a miniature model made out of an upside-down cake pan, disconnected copper hose fitting, a bracelet, carpet tacks and various other identifiable objects.

The Meier photograph of the beautiful Pleiadian alien, Semjase, turned out to be a photocopy of a model from a Sears Catalog. Another one of Meier's photographs, where he allegedly traveled into the future aboard a Pleiadian Beamship to photograph the aftermath of a 9.0 earthquake in San Francisco showing the toppled Trans-America building, turned out to be a realistic looking painting from a geology magazine article about earthquakes.
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http://www.figu.org/us/figu/bulletin/no1.htm

http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus ... &page=6295

http://www.vidilife.com/index.cfm?f=med ... 5&action=1



Now, in opposition:

http://members.tripod.com/~A_U_R_A/Meierhoax.html

The site is a little, ghetto, if you will, and it is ridden with spelling errors and the like, and some things make no sense at all: "Anyone that has done research on the Meier-case in the past and came to a different conclusions as Meier and his cult gets threatening phone-calls, gets publicly slandered on the internet in an absolute childish, but rude way. Pretty sectarian to us here at A.U.R.A.". . . WHAT?

and as such this post isn't analysis, but rather trying to continue the discussion on this topic.

edit:

Another article, from http://www.ufocasebook.com/meiervindicated.html
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And more, now from http://www.gaiaguys.net/prophetnewagemeier.htm

"...As the 41st president of the USA, George H.W. Bush senior, started the first Bush-Gulf War in 1991, and now the second Bush-Gulf War should follow, this time set off by his irresponsible and obviously megalomaniac and infernally stupid son, George W. Bush who in arrogance and self-glorification sets himself up as an omnipotent being, and surpasses by far his progenitor with his war-craving actions...And the whole of mankind cowardly looks on at all these machinations of atrocities to mankind and does not undertake anything to break the insanity and greed for power of those who bring about death, suffering, hardship, pain, ruin and destruction to the worlds and its human beings....The most dangerous terrorism of all comes from America and her president who considers himself God and master of all things.

Should in fact a clash of weapons occur in Iraq, prodded by the howling for war by Bush, then this can become a reality and the fulfilment of the Henok Prophecies, although the old prophecy says that due to this consequence, the Third World War could in fact break out in the year 2006, whereby it should be said that it depends if this date is taken from the modern calendar of today or according to the time since the birth of Jmmanuel which then would correspond to the year 2003....The prophecies of old say that such a war will eradicate about two thirds of mankind and create enormous destruction to such an extent that life can barely exist..."

(January 30th 2003 "To the Statesmen in Power and to Mankind of Earth" see the PDF file of entire posting) It should be noted here that a prophecy, according to the Plejarans, is a warning of what will take place if steps are not taken to change things. This is distinct from a prediction which is the foreseeing of something which is certain and unavoidable.




At this point I can not claim Meier to be a hoax, in fact this Meier story is so HUGE it is going to take me a long while to find my answer. I sortof makes me sick to my stomach, that being, the impersonal way that the spirit is explained therein, which I find very sad, and yes, depressing.
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Well it's just a few more months left to see if the 3rd world war would start in 2006 or not.
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Post: # 6997Post dloheb »

Yes, I guess, although I do not find that enough to dismiss the Billy Meier case until that should happen, then--oh ****, Michel was a fraud.. and etc..?

And yet, the only difference between the reality of that prophecy coming to fruition and the other's, which have since long passed, would be my direct witness to the account. And yet it would be just as easily tossed into the wind-- a lucky guess! you could say.

edit: I am currently looking into his case and there seems to be a ton of things (a lot of ****) flying around.. 50, or so, years of it...? So this'll be interesting lol
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