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Recent Epidemics

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Note: This topic has been spun off from the topic "Monitoring Natural Disasters and Pollution Levels" on the same sub-forum.
InfoSource wrote:Recently I've been hearing a lot about the avian flu virus that some experts believe could cause a flu epidemic around the world and this virus is originating in Asia, Vietnam specifically I think
Robanan wrote:I heard a lot about it too.

The avian flu (bird flu) has been dormant in Asia recently. The serious outbreak had happened in 2003, and another round in 2004. It had affected my area mildly, but awareness of the people and media coverage was high.

According to the CDC in USA, there's been outbreaks in Asia, as well as outbreaks in North America. For general info on the flu from CDC, refer to: http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/

General info on avian flu from WHO is found here. I found this particular article interesting: Estimating the impact of the next influenza pandemic: enhancing preparedness

Vietname wasn't the first place to be affected, according to CDC's record:
Background: Influenza A (H5N1) is a subtype of the type A influenza virus. Wild birds are the natural hosts of the virus -- hence, the name avian influenza or bird flu. The virus was first isolated from birds (terns) in South Africa in 1961. The virus circulates among birds worldwide. It is very contagious among birds and can be deadly to them, particularly domesticated birds like chickens.
Infection: The virus does not typically infect humans. In 1997, however, the first instance of direct bird-to-human transmission of influenza A (H5N1) virus was documented during an outbreak of avian influenza among poultry in Hong Kong; the virus caused severe respiratory illness in 18 people, of whom 6 died. Since that time, there have been other instances of H5N1 infection among humans (see General Information on Avian Influenza). However, H5N1 viruses thus far have not been capable of efficient human-to-human transmission; health officials continue to monitor the situation closely for evidence of H5N1 transmission between people.
Perhaps this issue, together with SARS, JE (Japanese B Encephalitis Virus), mad cow disease could go into a separate topic of 'Recent Epidemics'
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Experts call for monitoring..

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http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detay ... ink=101531

1. More and more species are on the list.
2. Lots of media attention on this topic.

Listen carefully, Now what does your HEART tell you about the information in this article.
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Post: # 8507Post Zio »

Well... it says to me that we must research on the antibodies found in "20 percent of 500 stray cats near poultry" before it is contagious human-to-human (is the virus in that stage yet?). If it does, we just have to do the same thing as when SARS appeared. No physical contact at all. If not, then don't eat chicken or any bird that can host the virus.
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When the 'vaccine' is readily available to the world, I'm wondering, who will get the jab in the arm? I personally will, pass.
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Post: # 8512Post Frozn »

Agreed I see it all as just more fearmongering.

If I had a nickel for every time I've heard the media telling me how I might die horribly tomorrow. Just goes to show what TP said about journalists is absolutely right.
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Post: # 8518Post ronald »

"Killing organisms that begin to learn and adapt can only speed up the epidemic."
from the link below:
http://bioresonant.com/cgi-bin/htmlos.c ... 1533730268
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Post: # 8521Post Aisin »

Talking about vaccines, I've had enough for this lifetime, not going to get another one. But then that might be the inhibiting factor for me to visit Africa in future, got to get a yellow fever vaccine to return without being quarantined.

Anyway, I like this article on vaccination:
http://thedoctorwithin.com/index_fr.php ... ccines.php
(I've quoted the homepage in the 'General Spirituality and Healing' forum, but did not point to this particular article. There are a few other articles which also touch on vaccination.)
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Post: # 8523Post ronald »

a few more here:
http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/birdflu.htm
http://unbounded.org/articles/2005/10/29/bird-flu-hoax
http://video.lisarein.com/dailyshow/oct ... ianflu.mov

..some links on these pages are also interesting I think.


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Aisin wrote: Talking about vaccines, I've had enough for this lifetime, not going to get another one. But then that might be the inhibiting factor for me to visit Africa in future, got to get a yellow fever vaccine to return without being quarantined.
..and thank god that we are not dying in the millions as mentioned in TP.
Aisin wrote:Anyway, I like this article on vaccination:
http://thedoctorwithin.com/index_fr.php ... ccines.php
(I've quoted the homepage in the 'General Spirituality and Healing' forum, but did not point to this particular article. There are a few other articles which also touch on vaccination.)
Aisin, I'm interested to know your thoughts on this article you have provided. Are you agreeing with the suggested article that vaccines may not be good for us?
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Post: # 8551Post Aisin »

Thanks for your interest, Survivor. I do not have an official stand on that article, whether vaccination is good / not good for our body.

I liked it when I read it some time ago, because it provides another viewpoint contrary to popular belief, and it teased me to think about vaccinations.

Personally, my stand on vaccination is, I do not need any more of it for my body. It's not the solution to avian flu for example. Just like my opinion on vitamin pills, I do not need them as well, I could get my natural supply from fresh food. My substitute for vaccination is to restore my health & healing capability. Without a suitable environment for the virus / bacteria to survive in my body, I don't have to fear contractable diseases.
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Re: Recent Epidemics

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My feelings on this recent outbreak of so called swine [really seems in mexico anyway, hemorrhagic - from alternative, aka reliable, news sources] flu, and Ive read many ideas, are that for one, it may have originated in 2007 fair in Ohio. I should first probably say I am a little fearful, but I suppose the fact that outside my own preparation and prayer/meditation, theres nothing to do, which is somewhat calming. I wont speculate much on the bioweapon theory on this, if you like check somewhere online that devotes to that. Len Horowitz made an interesting youtube video today [DrLenHorowitz user].

http://scienceblogs.com/digitalbio/2009 ... _swine.php
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_o ... dbb3ba2fd0
[abstract only]

If it is actually not serious, but the military and majority of sheeple perceives it as a danger requiring vaccination as a solution, mandatory vaccination for citizens [which from reading I seem to think are not very safe] - and neighborhood quarantines for indefinite periods of time, are not possibilities I like to think about.

But if is as potentially dangerous in US and elsewhere as in Mexico, w/cytokine storms, what about the idea of avoiding prophylactic overuse of antiviral herbals, in the same way as not overusing antibacterials to prevent superbugs?? Is this concept foolish, or does it make sense? Oil of oregano, olive leaf extract, amazon herb co tincture called 'illumination', garlic, elderberry, reishi mushroom, are considered to have antiviral properties, among others, I think so is turmeric, and also apricots or apricot seeds [?. They're natural, but could taking them when you don't need them, increase Sx or susceptibility to more dangerous viral infection Sx [symptoms]? Just an observation...

3. Nanomasks....apparently mostly bought out already, only heard of these a few days ago! If before, it was long time ago and I forgot. Still other kinds maybe Ill get one, but really its for ppl already infectious I think. I dunno why I mention this, seemed odd though.
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I am also trying to re-remind myself of the nature of a virus, being dead organic cellular material...[Tom discusses this in his health book, and so does Dr. Lawrence Galant whom I just discovered today].

So, if viruses are not causing the above illness, I wonder what is. And that goes for all the other viral infections medical science has documented...I believe in common colds, there is a connection to mold and a putrid colon. I think having balanced gut flora might be part of a good strategy. Beyond that, theres articles that say avoid cytokine producing antivirals, and those that include them also.

Incidentally Washoe Indians ingested lomatium dissectum root [aka 'indian consumption' root] and many did not get sick from the 1918 flu. How this works? I know theres at least 4 on pubmed but address this plants antibacterial, antiviral and antifungal properties [not specific to the 1918 flu however]. So perhaps theres some other biotic component to what causes this kind of flu, other than a virus, which is either known and kept quiet, which I prefer to doubt, or, just not understood.

What about others like the serious ones, bse/vcjd, and h1n1, if viruses aren't able to attack anything [being dead genetic material], whats causing these? Any ideas? Incidentally regarding vCJD, this past january I found an article regarding a possible method of neutralizing that 'pathogenic prion', involving birnessite [which is a high oxidizer...]:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1908 ... $=activity
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Post: # 11554Post Krad »

You can get sick ill basically from two things.(Actually it is more, but what you asked about is two option).
Either bacterially, which does not happen if your immune system is working perfectly. The reason why it does not work can be for over-eating, bad (mental) hygiene, living in unhealthy environment ...etc
The illness from viruses can exist only because of the lack of mental hygiene. Every information which you create (think) will affect your physical body because of a complex system in your body, that was well known in east-asia.
If your thoughts are against the will of the universe, your cells will be very easy to be led, just like a flock of sheep.
If that happens then the information that the virus send about itself (everything sends information about itself) will be easily believed by your cell to be the right advise to follow and your cells will turn themselves into dead parts.
You can destroy the virus with anti- biotics and different kind of materials, before it is spread. This, however does ot help much, because you can still get ill easily another time, and there is a chance that your healthy cells will be destroyed also.
Furthermore your immune system can get used that the job is being done by something else, and it can turn off itself.
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Post: # 11555Post Rezo »

Thanks for your input, Krad. Very interseting, and I am familiar w/these concepts somewhat. One thing I've been looking at is mitochondrial DNA, transport vacuoles, and lysosomes/peroxisomes in animal cells [which cause the cell death]. I am trying to [informally] look at interaction between conscious intention and health of the cell:

http://www.dwij.org/pathfinders/jay_wen ... ention.htm - a discussion of intention and cells
http://www.item-bioenergy.com/infocente ... nonDNA.pdf - another, been around a while, may have been posted before

What is the most 'normal' or even optimal way for cells to die and regrow? [i.e. virus 'flora']? And where for each, how much, etc? It would seem to be far too intricate for the consicous mind to direct. Theres a sort of rhythm to what prevents cells from oxidizing [rust = old age?] that is already in place, which we seem to interfere with, without knowing, perhaps constantly!

Funny the word 'virus' from latin, can mean 'slimy, liquid, poison' i.e. venom.

How did the Washoe find out how well lomatium would work, and others? I suspect 'trial and error', more specifically, attuning their minds/bodies to notice changes from ingesting lesser amounts i.e. small samples to ingest. For more info on the herbals they used/use, check their site out:

http://www.co.washoe.nv.us/parks/arbore ... eIndex.htm
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