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Post: # 9644Post shezmear »

You guys like fight club? That movie made me almost ill, the people living these terrible existences; do you know that movie inspired actual fight clubs?

I`ll go with Copying Beethoven anyday....

Also if you get a chance to see transformers on a big screen I recommend it, the CGI is great, I was very impressed.
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Post: # 9649Post Eon »

shezmear wrote:You guys like fight club? That movie made me almost ill, the people living these terrible existences; do you know that movie inspired actual fight clubs?

Also if you get a chance to see transformers on a big screen I recommend it, the CGI is great, I was very impressed.
Yeah well I don't think you can blame a movie for it. It is just some stupid people who watched it. There is nothing in a movie that indicates that fight clubs are really good way to spend your time. You don't think most of the people who saw this movie think that joining fight clubs is a good idea, do you? Just remember about Jesus and then think of Christianity. Now if christians say that they were inspired by Jesus, can you really blame him for it?
I absolutely do not mind movies about bad people, as long as these movies have something intelligent to say about them, actually I happen to like them even more than those lame "good vs. bad" movies, were "good" always "wins" or smth like that. I find evil characters to be more complex and interesting even. There is a show called "The Sopranos", a lot of it's characters are gangsters (as well as the main one), who do really abhorent things. But I think that this show is one of the most deep, intelligent things I've ever seen, it is a great drama, comedy, and social commentary at the same time. And it really has a lot of smart things to say about materialistic lifestyle.

Now about transformers.. No offence dude, but I'll have to admit that this is the kind of cinema that I deeply hate and am disgusted by. The stupidity coming from those kinda movies is almost overwhelming.

But hey, it is all about the choice, if you just wanna see good looking CGI in movies and don't mind the "stupidity" part, then I guess there's nothing really wrong about that. :)
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Post: # 9651Post shezmear »

this pains me…

The studies according to Television and Observation learning from page 250 from exploring psychology 6th addition by David Myers seem to state other wise, of course David could be talking out his a/s/s, you know people tend to back their own views with out sufficient research, what’s even more disturbing is when the beliefs that are fostered a not accurate and the repercussions are disastrous.

• The more hours children spend watching violent programs the more at risk they are for aggression and crime as teens and adults, (eon, 1987:turner &others 1986)
• Compared with those who watch less then an hour of TV daily at age 14, those who watch more than 3 hours at this age commit 5 times as many aggressive acts at age 16 to 22.
• In the United States and Canada, Homicide rates doubled between 1957 and 1974, conceding with the introduction and spread of TV, Moreover sinus regions that were late in acquiring TV had their homicide rate jump correspondingly later.
• White south Africans were late in acquiring TV in 1975, a similar near doubling of the homicide rate began after 1975(Centerwell 1989)
• In the Great train Robbery which was screen in 1903 a cowboy fires his pistil at the Camera, the first audiences who saw the film reacted by running out of the theater screaming,
• Further on desensitization I meet a German lady who said that in Germany they had people hanging from the street posts in the Second World War, they hung there on and off for weeks, she said that after some time you actually got used to it.
• In the first 8 days after the 1999 columbine high school massacre, every U.S state except Vermont had to deal with copycat threats or incidents. Pennsylvania alone had 60 threats of school violence.(cooper, 1999)
• While spending 3 evenings watching sexually violent movies, male viewers in one experiment became progressively less bothered by the rape and slashing, 3 days later , they all expressed less sympathy for domestic violence victims than did research participants who had not been exposed to the films, and they rated the victims injuries as less severe.
• “there is absolutely no doubt” concluded the 1993 American Psychology association commission on violence and youth that higher levels of viewing violence on TV are correlated with increased acceptance of aggressive attitudes and increased aggressive behavior.

And I understand about dark characters, I guess it depends why you go to your viewing, to escape or access some part of the human psyche, you know the adventure holiday was invented for the western civilization as it became more docile.


And this,

Now about transformers... No offence dude, but I'll have to admit that this is the kind of cinema that I deeply hate and am disgusted by. The stupidity coming from those kinda movies is almost overwhelming.

But hey, it is all about the choice, if you just wanna see good looking CGI in movies and don't mind the "stupidity" part, then I guess there's nothing really wrong about that.


Yes it’s true I sit down with my 5 year old daughter and we watch light entertainment together, and we still like the age old battle of the good verse the bad, I still like star wars….and in all truth good does always prevail in the universe…I know this…

As far as classing it as Stupidity I don’t think so, sure its over the top but I make a point of trying not to analyze it to much, and you have to consider fight club although it’s plot is clever the characters behavior and set an example that is disgusting, but what’s even worse is it Romanticized…

Make sure you watch them all, there`s some girl on girl action too....

http://www.fightdump.com/fightvideos/18 ... alley.html

http://www.fightdump.com/media/572/Girl ... rsion.html

http://www.fightdump.com/media/746/Gang ... kyard.html



Drink up, come watch it all, boy and girls, gather round, we go a fight; the last one is a real beauty!!!

http://www.fightdump.com/media/134/Intense_Fight.html



Humanity at its best…what roll models…. hey?


Nothing is better then watching 2 sentient being attempting to destroy teacher, I love it, don’t you?

What’s wrong feeling sick?

It’s your internal universal barometer telling you something is wrong with the picture, that is….. if it is still working….
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Post: # 9653Post Eon »

Oh boy, how did you even find this c.rap? I'm sorry I don't think you'll understand what I am saying. It is just because I think you do not see movies the way I see them. I'm not talking about movies that glorifie violence, I meant that kind of cinema which is just realistic and shows things that are happening for real. If a character is a bad person, and you wan't to show how really bad he is, because it is necessary for the storyline, you can't get away with showing bunnies and flowers, can you? If you cannot stomach seeing someone doing bad things on screen, absolutely nothing wrong with that, your choice. Some people take personally things that they see on the screen. I don't. I never forget that stuff that is happening there isn't real. So all I need is for the movie to be smartly written, well acted, directed, etc. (And that is a lot actually, so most of the movies that come out do not suit me at all).
Now about the mainstream movies.. I'll never forget one c.rappy movie I saw. It's called "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" (I WOULD NOT recommend it to anyone, actually I would recommend staying from this kind of "art" as far as possible). In the beginning of this movie it is stated that this movie is based on something that happened in real life. And then they show this bloodfest where some kind of big-mutant type creep is ripping people's limbs apart with chainsaw, and hanging them on the meat hook (while they're alive, mind you). So I did some research. Turns out that yeah, there was a killer whom this movie was based on, but all he did was just shoot his victims and he looked like an average Joe. There's an "entertainment" mentality for you. To make really bad things a lot worse. And this kind of cinema is much more popular than the kind of movies I watch, especially amongst teenagers. Teenagers wouldn't even watch most of what I like just because it's too smart for them, they would find it "boring". This was even adressed in "The Sopranos" in one scene where gangsters are sitting and watching slasher movie project they've financed and discussing it. "This is gonna make even more money than porn we've made" , "what do you think Chris, should we do one more sexy kill? These audiences today, they love blood".

As for example "setting".. People can take examples that aren't even there. Some guy can make a docummentary with a specific purpose to just show how f....d things are, and some i.diot can see it and start acting exatly the way he sees people acting in that docummentary.
As I was a child, my dad showed me these stupid violence glorifying movies, he likes them a lot, even to this day. Also he showed me equally stupid horror flicks. That was when I was about 5 years old. I somehow managed to survive.. and I stopped watching those movies (my dad didn't :lol: ). Sometimes people "protect" their children to the point where whey freak them out. And they don't give their kids any credit anymore. For example a lot of parents freak out over the nude scenes in movies. What is more disturbing for a child? To see a human body or to see his parents freaking out over that body?

" good verse the bad, I still like star wars….and in all truth good does always prevail in the universe…I know this… "

Does good in the universe prevail by using violent methods? By fighting exactly the way the bad does? Cause this is what is shown in the action flicks.

And by the way, I was talking about the movies, not TV (yes there is a difference). O.K. "The Sopranos" is a TV show, but it is one in a million, and its' quality equals of that of good arthouse cinema.

P.S. every time now I hear/read "studies have shown" I stop listening/reading further. I made an exeption this time out of my respect to you though.. But I won't in the future. ;) I'd like for you to state some of YOUR thoughts.

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P.P.S. I HATE this swearing filter in this forum. Totally unnecessary and highly annoying..
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Post: # 9658Post ptex »

Now and then I see forum members complaining about the filters and thus I feel the need to say something about it:
Eon wrote:P.P.S. I HATE this swearing filter in this forum. Totally unnecessary and highly annoying..
Although I understand your point of view, the filter is necessary and in place for several reasons:
  • -> first for education purposes: there are people of very young ages here and we don't feel that the use of fowl language contributes neither to their education or any intelligent discussion (which is the purpose of this forum);

    -> second: because it can contribute to a significant increase in personal offense and would seriously degrade the quality of discussions!
    I would have serious doubts about contributing in a forum where posts are full of swearing words and offensive posts
To reinforce this I invite the reading of the Forum Terms of Use because they were implicitly accepted when joining in and are more specific than anything I could say here.

Back on topic, I agree with Shezmear.
Everyone is free to choose what they see, hear, read, practice and think about. There's a lot more to pollution than just air and water. TP mentions excessive sound as a major pollution problem, I add everything in our life style that we observe that is potentially damaging in any way.

At a certain stage in my life I also watched horror movies, listened to heavy metal, loud music, etc. So this is not something I learned empirically or based on other people's experience. Sure I could say much to my sake then that I did see the movies or heard the music from a certain peculiar perspective - that's true because we're all unique aren't we?... real life events are indeed to be seen with a positive attitude always with something to learn, but watching a horror/violent movie?

I also have a 5 year old little girl with whom I adore playing and watching movies. This every parent will probably be able to answer: when a movie contains violent scenes doesn't the kid become more violent after? On the other side, what happens when a movie is educative, gentle and kind? As adults we're masters in disguising our true feelings and actions, but kids are so much more vulnerable and innocent and teach us what often is too obvious that we simply miss (or don't want to face) it.

Someone wisely noted that "Our conscious choices are determined and limited by our Intellect". What's the purpose of polluting ourselves when we simply know the answer?

A conscious living is truly accepting responsibility in the creation of every single little detail of our lives.
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Post: # 9659Post shezmear »

Eon, cool, Look, I had fun making my point, although it is over the top... :rofl:

and people can take just about anything and turn it negative, and completely miss the point, and I can see and understand how you can take things and with the “right filters” and learn something out of a event/movie/show, even if it is based on human beings behaving in ways that are poor to the psyche of earth, I’m just not so sure about everyone else.

And I guess it is about not throwing the baby out with the bath water, regardless of the movie….

But I do feel If you feed the mind on these images how can you grow a real perspective?, and as you have indicated you have filters in place, but I wonder how many people really do….so my view is even if it is rubbish as long as it is some how inline with universal law or if I can taking something away from the movie…whether that be a false sense of courage or admiration for human resilience, ect, ect...

Man, I have mellowed in my old age… :), and I do understand the caution that was visited upon me by my elders to which I did reject at the time but now I see the wisdom in their ways.

And I quoted facts because I normally don’t and about these things you kind of need to be sure of your view, I read it a while ago and thought that is interesting…one thing about me some times I will give my view but my view has been influenced by facts which for some reason have come under my noise, so rather then throw them away, I allow this information to affect my action in my life, this way I learn.

So do I like violent and stuff? ho, as I get older not as much, but look I still like the movie the Predator, it’s a classic, Conan the Barbarian, Gladiator, some smaller art house stuff, my life as a dog was a good movie I saw when I was 12, I feel in love with the girl with the brown hair who was the tom boy…

The thin red line I enjoyed, the space the music…..2001, although I did watch that 3 times on LSD, true story….Jesus…and have not seen it in 13 years…

I liked the Movie DOOM for the first 60 minutes then it just got silly...I have seen a lot of good movies I just can`t rememebr them all....


And ptex you listened to heavy metal music??? :shock: ... that is GOLD! I’d pay to see that…
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Post: # 9662Post Eon »

Yeah I listened to that Heavy Metal stuff too.. When I was about 16 years old. Well it wasn't that long ago I guess.. :)
I still think you misunderstood me.. I am completely against movies with SENSELESS violence, I mean the kind of violence that is put there just for the sake of cheap shock (which is the case in most movies, so I really don't like MOST of the violent movies). Actually I'd put stuff like Gladiator or Predator in that category, so I guess your taste is too "violent" for me.. :D All I'm saying is that violence is not necessary a sign of a bad moviemaking, it's HOW and WHY it is used in it.
I know I'm gonna get boring with that "Sopranos" stuff, but I think once again this show is a perfect example of that. Violence there is used (and it is not very often, and never very brutal) as a means for character development and creating contrasts to portray certain messages. For example in one scene you can see main character engaging in some violent stuff as a mob boss, in other you see him trying to be a good husband/father, and also you can see him discussing with his psychiatrist both parts of his life. So.. Good vs. Evil , Intelligent vs. Brutal, and it works perfectly that way. If it weren't for that "violence" part the whole show would be a lot worse.
What concerns me though.. People are getting increasingly more and more and more uptight when it comes to children. I remember in older days it was like this - "some things are for children and some are only for adults". Now it's gone somewhere. I'm not sure that was the best way to deal with it, but it seems better than what I see nowadays. Now somehow absolutely everything has to be revolved around the children. Seems completely out of balance. If someone doesn't like something, he can say stuff like "It's bad for children". Politicians even make campaigns on this nonsense. "Save the children, help the children, what about the children, no child left behind (which is pure evil, cause this BS leaves a LOT of children behind in schools and is purely for the stat making so schools could LOOK good, but children learn even less because of this)" Just pick one. I liked what comedian George Carlin had to say about it. "You wanna know how to help your children? Leave them the f....k alone!" . :D
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Post: # 9663Post ptex »

Hey Shez, don't look at me like that :-D
You'd pay to see me listening to Heavy Metal?? Take a look at my old cassettes and see for yourself :) That was another lifetime for me - too long ago to remember. But believe it or not this other lifetime gave me quite a perspective of contrasts! I never tried drugs though, I was too horrified to see what happened to friends and colleagues in that department.

Yes, I get your point Eon. Actually movies like what you mention can have quite a positive effect given that some of them allows us to see an interesting perspective about things we wouldn't normally come across. A few movies come to my mind that used to be my favorites: Once Upon a Time in America (includes the amazing original soundtrack), Children of a Lesser God, The Unbearable Lightness of Being, Rainman, etc.

It remains to be proved at what level or levels of our psyche (or bodies as mentioned in TP) a movie has influence in. I remember having both nightmares and the sweetest of dreams based on movies. I bet that anyone who astral travels / projects (or even uses visualization) is very careful about the things he or she watches given the subconscious mind's influence in the process. Based on my experience Meditation helps to get rid of these "parasite" influences as it truly purifies our mind.

Recently the only things I watch are cartoons (you know with who), "Lost" :-k and an occasional (very rarely) comedy.
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Post: # 9664Post shezmear »

Eon, some of your views about children are the result of your age, understand with time, it will change, yes children need to be left alone, but right now more then ever they are being bombarded with technology/media/music and a lot of it is just junk.

and this is not related to you Eon, this is just a general statement about some of the movies these days, it’s an escalation in entertainment that by it’s very nature grows in its ability to shock and disturb, with each passing year they get better and better and cross more and more boundaries were it almost becomes a normality, and so the spiral of desensitization continues…

My over all point is Violence is not to be taken lightly, I’m sure from entertainment prospect it is just entertainment but still there are consequences for that, as I have stated previously….

The movie Pans Labyrinth, some people loved it ,I found the Violence disturbing, I don’t know why…, it was like I let down my filters and I was meet with cruelty and torture, and I came away from it going, nice ideas but I feel sad for the people in it and disturbed, and that is not a good thing…a story like that you could still move people with out the overt violence…you can have darkness but you don`t need blatant cruelty....this is just decay....

And I guess my point is why do they fill peoples heads will all this stuff when there are far better things to fill their heads with?....and that is a bit of a ATTNP point as well….

I geuss when you don`t know...... its all good....
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Post: # 9706Post shezmear »

I grew up with these guys when they were in different bands, luv the verse on this song..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvFnBdNhQ1E
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Post: # 9710Post survivor »

shezmear wrote: The movie Pans Labyrinth, some people loved it ,I found the Violence disturbing, I don’t know why…, it was like I let down my filters and I was meet with cruelty and torture,
I can tolerate hard core voilent movies but I also have the same thoughts as you shezmear re:Pans Labyrinth.
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Post: # 9718Post shezmear »

survivor wrote:
shezmear wrote: The movie Pans Labyrinth, some people loved it ,I found the Violence disturbing, I don’t know why…, it was like I let down my filters and I was meet with cruelty and torture,
I can tolerate hard core voilent movies but I also have the same thoughts as you shezmear re:Pans Labyrinth.
ya, ya, it`s funny If I know it s blood fest I`m good, I`m like prepared, but if there is something I like about it and I let down my filters I just come away feeling a bit odd,

survivor, Did you see silent hill by any chance...?
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Post: # 9721Post survivor »

Did I see Silent Hill?

Yes, here are my comments from another thread..
I recently watched the movie you recommend [Silent Hill] as 'spiritually touching'. WELL, I wasn't sure if I was in a video game or watching someone playing the game.3/10
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Post: # 9722Post TempUser »

Whoa what happened?

This is an OK band I think. It's a little mixed so it's 'different'. Some songs good, some songs...are ok.
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Post: # 9723Post shezmear »

survivor wrote:Did I see Silent Hill?

Yes, here are my comments from another thread..
I recently watched the movie you recommend [Silent Hill] as 'spiritually touching'. WELL, I wasn't sure if I was in a video game or watching someone playing the game.3/10
I don`t understand the video game part?
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