Rijzerlo wrote:Lately I've had numerous discussions with my father over the concept Tom and Michel are presenting. Where I believe most of these matters, my father has the urge to disagree with every other idea that is new to him, creating doubt about every subject.
When for example trying to explain the reason for this Universe to be created and the start of everything as told by Tom, there is immediately a comment in the liking of: "And before that?"
So I keep bending backwards and forwards about the length we should be looking back at. Maybe we are thinking too difficult here? Is the matter as it is and no further than that? Or is there much more to explore after every door we open (I do believe this to be true, since our Universe expands so much and has been repeated for a number we perhaps can't even imagine)
At what level can someone truly be satisfied with the knowledge that is given to him. Besides the fact that it is good to try and look beyond, to what factor do we need to raise questions? I am a fairly positive and easily trusting person, but my father is quite the opposite. How to satisfy someone so irrational about his own doubts? I feel I keep going in loops when trying to explain to such an doubtful person?
And a very ugly question I keep hearing is: "And if, so what?"
How to respond respectfully to such a question? (up till now I just let people with that response in their value and do not continue discussions)
Anyone got any good comments on this?
I have both encountered this in my self and other people, I like to be not in the past not in the future but in the always, I like absolutes.The facts, the truth even if it is considered ugly.
People that play these little games or verbal hobbies or the devils advocate are into semantics which is really a waste of everyone's time.Its like trying to play a game with some that is not following the rules, can you really play such a game? any game? Tennis , soccer, foot ball?", golf? or does it become about something else, it`s actually an abuse.
Philosophy is only as good and necessary as it translates into some workable action which relates to the grand design of the universe.
To deal with certainty and beliefs because they are different, put some money in your wallet, be sure how much it is, then ask the person if they know how much is in there, can they be certain?, Fact there is a real definite amount of money in your wallet, no question, your knowledge is certain 100%.So you can be certain, can you be certain about other things?,yes providing your inquiry is adequate.
How many people do you now that have sought the answer to the meaning of life for say 12 months, 8 hours a day?
What about 36 months or 72 months?, yet that work at their jobs for 20 years.
They then stand around and make apparent intelligent arguments about life the universe and everything from what basis?
Its like a village of natives telling you when you visit their village and talk of planes and sky scrappers that they think you are crazy and tell you accordingly.This actually happens by the way.
Na, the answers are there for the willing to seek and find, and those that can`t see it are suffering from many things one of them being laziness...
In fact I was once so intent on trying to understand life I wanted to voluntarily end my life for some time and be brought back to life, I could not find anyone that wanted to participate in my little experiment.The Russians did through dry fasting.I though well if I die that is o.k I`m positive I have lived before and in the event that I am heavy deluded and I`m just living once then I`m really just speeding up the process that being death.And any meaning I attribute to life is really my own and there is no grand plan.Which to me makes no sense.How am I to live then?,what am I? guided by my desire for food, sleep and sex, which is not really my desire but natures desire I wonder through the world a beggar to my senses.That is no life.For the most part I`m better then that.
The hardest thing to fathom is that 99.999999999999999999% of the world is utterly, utterly asleep and in denial, that is more earth shattering and disturbing then life after death the immortality of consciousness and intelligent design.
How many of us like the idea that we exist because someone wanted to feel something and that everything we feel is sent back through the filters of HS`s back to the source that we are in fact little feelers that allow the creator to take in experiences.It literary phone tapes and listens into our consciousness, feels what we feel.
Kind of makes you feel a bit used doesn't it?
And what sort of intelligence is that?, well it`s as vast as the universe is vast and then some.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEQouX5U0fc
By their deeds shall you know them.
J.C