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Hawaii is a part of the former continent of Mu. If they knew what happened 14,500 years ago, they would take them as the most grave matter.
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Vesko wrote:Hawaii is a part of the former continent of Mu. If they knew what happened 14,500 years ago, they would take them as the most grave matter.
Kilauea volcano, which overlaps the east flank of the massive Mauna Loa shield volcano, has been Hawaii's most active volcano during historical time. Eruptions of Kilauea are prominent in Polynesian legends; written documentation extending back to only 1820 records frequent summit and flank lava flow eruptions that were interspersed with periods of long-term lava lake activity that lasted until 1924 at Halemaumau crater, within the summit caldera. The 3 x 5 km caldera was formed in several stages about 1500 years ago and during the 18th century; eruptions have also originated from the lengthy East and SW rift zones, which extend to the sea on both sides of the volcano. About 90% of the surface of the basaltic shield volcano is formed of lava flows less than about 1100 years old; 70% of the volcano's surface is younger than 600 years. A long-term eruption from the East rift zone that began in 1983 has produced lava flows covering more than 100 sq km, destroying nearly 200 houses and adding new coastline to the island.

More information about the Mauna Loa Volcano
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I wonder how old these volcanoes are...
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No Stopping Global Warming, Studies Predict

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Even if people stopped pumping out carbon dioxide and other pollutants tomorrow, global warming would still get worse, two teams of researchers reported on Thursday.

Meehl's team ran two computer simulations of climate change -- complex programs, he said, that took months to run on supercomputers.
Thao said: "You have but a few years left in which to arrest the pollution before the situation becomes irreversible."

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Is the time limit over? Is the situation irreversible already?
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I strongly believe the situation is still reversible. Our scientists' models are very imperfect, our supercomputers are very puny, and different groups of scientists disagree with each other, i.e. some think it is still reversible. See the topic "Earth More Sensitive to Small Changes; Frozen Methane Energy" in this forum.
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...I was witnessing an extraordinary meeting, presided over by the
King and restricted to his six advisers. I was told the matter was serious when the
King met only with these six.
The King had aged significantly, for we had leapt forward in time by twenty
years. Everyone present looked grave, as they discussed the technical worth of
their seismographs
and I was able to understand it all within one-hundredth of a
second: I could follow the course of their discussions as if I was one of them!
One of the advisers was claiming that the equipment had, on occasions, proved
unreliable but there was no great cause for concern. Another stated that the
seismograph was perfectly accurate since that very model had proven itself at the
time of the first catastrophe, occurring in the west of the continent...


-Quote from the book, the bolding is mine

I believe our supercomputers and seismographs are not even something close to what the Mu had at that time anyway.
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Earthquake

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Update: An 8.2 magnitude earthquake off an Indonesian coast

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html
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InfoSource, from the news article you quoted (thanks!):
The quake is considered a "great" earthquake, the largest of seven grades. The grades are very minor, minor, light, moderate, strong, major and great.

Monday's event marked the first time in recorded seismic history -- nearly 100 years -- that two quakes of such size have happened so close together, Schell said.

Only 12 great earthquakes have occurred since 1906, he [U.S. Geological Survey spokesman Don Blakeman] said.
Hmm...
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My two cents...

last week I saw a program on T.V. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/program ... rans.shtml (Four corners, Australian ABC that took a program from the BBC) about global dimming. Basically it says that Global dimming has lessened the effect of global warming.
At this point, whatever we did to curb our emissions, it would be too late. Ten thousand billion tons of methane, a greenhouse gas eight times stronger than carbon dioxide, would be released into the atmosphere. The Earth's climate would be spinning out of control, heading towards temperatures unseen in four billion years. But this is not a prediction - it is a warning. It is what will happen if we clean up pollution while doing nothing about greenhouse gases. However, the easy solution - just keep on polluting and hope that Global Dimming will protect us - would be suicidal.
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Two cents?????? Your post is priceless, it makes us aware of so much and an entire new-old danger, global dimming. The article is worth every line! THANK YOU! Reading it makes one realize the Earth is really an extraordinarily tuned mechanism.
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Weather officials issue volcanic ash advisory

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The Antahan volcano erupted about 2:30 this morning, sending a plume of ash 50,000 feet into the sky, according to National Weather Service meterologist Jenny Miller.
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Well with volcanic activity on the increase around the world I would expect some of those super volcanoes like the one in Yellowstone Park, USA to explode that would greatly accelerate global warming

http://www.solcomhouse.com/yellowstone.htm

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Taken from http://abc.net.au/news/default.htm

British scientists in the Antarctic say they now have proof of the dramatic effects of climate change.

The British Antarctic Survey Group has published research in the Journal of Science, which shows that in the past half-century almost 90 per cent of the glaciers in the Antarctic have retreated.

They say it is no coincidence that during that time there has been a two degree rise in the region's temperature.

The British Antarctic Survey Team has studied more than 2,000 aerial photographs and more than 100 satellite images taken over the past 50 years.

Researchers looked at 244 glaciers on the Antarctic Peninsula.

Their research shows that since the 1950s, 87 per cent of the glaciers have shrunk.

Researcher David Vaughan says there has been a noticeable difference in that part of Antarctica.

"There's more exposed rock during the summer, there are flowering plants which are blooming in areas they didn't bloom before, there are changes in the seal population and where penguins can build their rookeries," he said.

Antarctic Peninsula

The Antarctic Peninsula is a small mountainous corner on the northern-most tip of the continent.

It extends beyond the Antarctic Circle and is known to be warmer than the rest of Antarctica.

Mr Vaughan says what is happening there is unusual.

"There is something going on in the Antarctic Peninsula which is more rapid than even anywhere else in Antarctica," he said.

"Much of Antarctica is warming but only at the same rate as global mean warming.

"The Antarctic Peninsula is warming three to five times that rate.

"There's something else going on in that area that we don't quite understand."

"Whether it's a natural fluctuation or whether this is just and area that has been kicked off by global warming and is accelerating for local reasons, we don't know," he said.

Local implications

What happens in Antarctica has implications for Australia, says Professor Ian Simmonds of the University of Melbourne, particularly when it comes to weather patterns in southern Australia.

"In southern Australia one has has lots of cyclones moving through to the south and frontal systems coming through," he said.

"In general those weather patterns are large-scale. They're intimately tied up with what's happening around the distribution of sea ice and other parameters around the Antarctic continent.

"One of the things we're learning with the climate system is there is no part that is an island - as it were - entire of itself.

"You play with one part of the system, you affect things that you wouldn't have expected."

There's been considerable shrinking of some glaciers on the Antarctic peninsula with the Widdowson glacier said to have retreated by more than one kilometre in the past five decades.

Glacier retreat

Researchers estimate that the temperature in the region has risen two degrees over the past five decades but what they have not been able to determine during their three-year study is how much of this is being caused by human-induced warming.

The past five years have seen the most significant changes with most of the glaciers studied retreating on average 50 metres in that time.

There are around 30 glaciers though, which have actually made small advances.

The study does not look at what has happened to sea levels as a result of the glacial retreat.

While it might seem that smaller glaciers would mean a higher sea level Professor Ian Simmonds says it is more likely that the higher temperatures in that region would mean a lower sea level.

"There's actually more precipitation being deposited on the Antarctic continent at the moment," he said.

"In the short-term with a warmer environment, the Antarctic continent is actually getting slightly bigger and is locking up the water that would otherwise go into the sea."[/quote]
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Thank you Marcus!

To All: Would you please report weather anomalies in your area? We had a sudden temperature drop followed by heavy snowing in Kiyv (Ukraine) yestarday. The weather already changed today and became suddenly sunny (?). It's still relatively cold. Such weather anomalies here are characteristic to the last 2-3 years there wasn't anything like this before.

Bomohwkl, I'm curious about your view on Tom's core.pdf article, I think you have studied it did you find any flaws?
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Robanan wrote:Check Global temperature anomalies on January,2005
10 MYTHS about Global Warming
Don't believe these commonly heard statements:

* It isn't really happening (documented science overwhelmingly shows temperatures rising rapidly)

* It's natural (temperature increases, especially since the 1970's, are far above natural variations)

* Any effects well be very gradual (not only are severe storms getting stronger, but climate history shows sharp climate changes can occur abruptly, in only a few years)

* It does not affect the U.S. (the U.S. is experiencing rising sea levels, more severe storms and droughts, die-off of forests, altered animal migrations, and loss of glaciers such as those in Glacier National Park)

* It will be good for us (some areas may become more pleasantly warm, but the cost of negative effects will far outweigh any benefits; disease and heat deaths are increasing)

* Agriculture will benefit (CO2 may make some crops grow faster, but also will accelerate weeds, pests and droughts; crops may not grow well where they once did as climate zones shift.)

* It's being handled by our government (The current U.S. Administration advocates studying, not dealing with, global warming; its energy policy completely based on burning more coal & oil. Most state and local governments are unprepared for major changes)

* It's not a big deal compared to national security (Global warming is actually the most serious threat to the widest range of human concerns. Our national and world security is directly threatened by negative climate effects on weather, water supply, disease, agriculture, marine resources, and health)

* Technology will solve the problem for us (Massive "fixes" like burying greenhouse gases are very unlikely, but many smaller changes can make a difference AND are available now)

* There's nothing to be done anyway (Everyone can make a difference today -- SEE BELOW...)

15 Very Important Things to Do about Global Warming...from the individual to the national

1. Learn about it -- start with this website and see the References
2. Sell the SUV and choose cleaner, more efficient vehicles
3. Use efficient appliances, replace light bulbs, insulate
4. Buy renewable energy, like wind and solar
5. Organize the neighborhood and town for energy efficiency
6. Use your vote and influence as a citizen to elect responsive leaders
7. Encourage efficient transportation in & between communities
8. Plant trees, expand open spaces
9. Reduce sprawl and the paving of the landscape
10. Build for efficiency and solar power
11. Support sustainable farming and forestry
12. Reduce global deforestation
13. Develop an efficient energy policy, moving away from fossil fuels
14. Export new energy technology that uses renewable energy sources
15. ....and Start doing these things today

-quote from http://www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org ... tions.html


“* It isn't really happening (documented science overwhelmingly shows temperatures rising rapidly)”


Documented by whom? If I have the money to spend I can get any researcher/scientist to come up with whatever results I desire. Follow the money, there’s a big business in doom and gloom global warming science.
Also what temperature are you referring to, Surface or atmospheric? The atmospheric temperature has gone down, where as the surface temperatures have gone up. The majority of the Earths surface is water, and that is being heated by under water volcanoes (ocean trenches) and not by mankind.

To what standard are they basing the fact that the temperatures are rising rapidly? We (man/womankind) have not been tracking temperatures on this planet long enough to set a standard. The best we can do is track by cycles of thousands of years. We don’t have records of temperatures from the last global warming event to do a comparison with. From geological records we know that it happened, and we can theorize how it happened, but we don’t have any specifics leading to the event.



“* It's natural (temperature increases, especially since the 1970's, are far above natural variations)”


According to whom, and by what science? “Far above natural variations”, since when? We haven’t been recording temperatures long enough to know. The Earth changes in cycles that take tens of thousands of years to complete. Weather you want to believe it or not, the fact is global warming is a natural occurrence on this planet.


“* Any effects well be very gradual (not only are severe storms getting stronger, but climate history shows sharp climate changes can occur abruptly, in only a few years”


Yes geological history has shown that sharp climatic changes can occur abruptly, but the sharp changes were from warm to cold, these changes were caused by natural causes i.e.: super volcanoes and/or extra terrestrial collisions. The last mini ice age (the dark ages) was caused by a super volcano eruption. This was an eruption so large that its ash cloud blocked out the sun, which in turn caused the atmospheric temperature to drop. Which is basically the same result that global warming has. As the surface warms it put more moisture into the atmosphere (clouds), and when the clouds eventually block out the sun the atmospheric temperature drops and when the moisture is released it snows. Without the sun to melt it the snow builds up and now the planet is in an Ice Age.

Also in the global warming cycle the closer we get to the peak the more rapidly the temperatures rise. So just because the rise in surface temperature is accelerating that doesn’t mean the man/womankind is responsible. It just means that we are nearing the peak of this global warming event.



“* It does not affect the U.S. (the U.S. is experiencing rising sea levels, more severe storms and droughts, die-off of forests, altered animal migrations, and loss of glaciers such as those in Glacier National Park)”


You’re right, it is a global thing, and as we loose glaciers in on part of the planet they are increasing in other parts of the planet. “Rising sea levels”, “more severe storms and droughts”, “die-off of forests”, and “altered animal migrations” are all things that have happened on this planet over and over again for the billions of years that this planet has been around. IMO anyone who thinks that global climate changes don’t affect the US is just an ***, but then again I also think that anyone who thinks we (man/womankind) can change the natural cycles that the Earth goes through is equally an ***, or at best very arrogant.

“* It will be good for us (some areas may become more pleasantly warm, but the cost of negative effects will far outweigh any benefits; disease and heat deaths are increasing)”


Weather or not it will be good for us, is in the eye of the beholder.


“* Agriculture will benefit (CO2 may make some crops grow faster, but also will accelerate weeds, pests and droughts; crops may not grow well where they once did as climate zones shift.)”


Again, that’s in the eye of the beholder. Personally I’ve never read, nor have I heard anyone make this claim before. However on the surface it is a true statement. In some areas it would benefit plant growth and in others it won’t. The fact is, this planet we live on has an ever-changing surface, and that fact is never going to change.

“* It's being handled by our government (The current U.S. Administration advocates studying, not dealing with, global warming; its energy policy completely based on burning more coal & oil. Most state and local governments are unprepared for major changes)”


The next technology on its way is nano-technology. This technology is enabling us to make and change things at a molecular level. One of the major breakthroughs in this technology has been in solar energy. In the past solar panels had to be made hard and flat, this meant that you had to have a very large flat surface area in order to collect enough energy to be viable, at a great cost might I add. Now, with nano-technology they are able to make them flexible, and are even to the point of making a substance that can be painted on a surface to collect the solar energy. In other words you could paint a house and the surface would be a solar collector. BTW, our government does fund a lot of the research in this area.

Just exactly what would you have our state and local governments do to prepare us for this event?

“* It's not a big deal compared to national security (Global warming is actually the most serious threat to the widest range of human concerns. Our national and world security is directly threatened by negative climate effects on weather, water supply, disease, agriculture, marine resources, and health)”


I’d say it’s apples and oranges; national security is something that we can control to a great extent, unlike global warming where we have very little control. If you really want to be worried about something, you should start worrying about the super volcano that’s going to erupt in the US (Yellowstone calderas). When it goes, it’s going to destroy a major portion of the US, and alter the Earths climate on a global level.



* Technology will solve the problem for us (Massive "fixes" like burying greenhouse gases are very unlikely, but many smaller changes can make a difference AND are available now)


Technologies can, and in the past have solved a lot of our problems with greenhouse gasses. Smog devices on cars, and better designed more efficient engines have cleaned up about 95% of the emissions from automobile exhaust. Afterburners on smoke stacks, and the removal of CFCs from most aerosol sprays are all ways in which technology has lessoned the amount of man/woman made green house gasses. As far as technologies of the future stopping global warming goes, it’s hard to say weather or not it can be done. It won’t be an easy task to stop volcanoes from erupting, or to stop all herbivores on the planet from emitting methane gas. It would be very difficult to stop the ocean trenches from warming the ocean. Nor would it be easy to stop the decaying process of all plants and animals. You see just these four things I mentioned do far more to contribute to global warming than anything man/womankind has done since the beginning of our minuscule existence on this planet.



“15 Very Important Things to Do about Global Warming...from the individual to the national”

“1. Learn about it -- start with this website and see the References”


I agree 100%, everyone should educate themselves about our planet and how it works, but don’t limit your research to the narrow scope of this website and the links it provides. My suggestion would be to start by learning about the geo-history this planet.


“2. Sell the SUV and choose cleaner, more efficient vehicles”


Give me a break. If we were to make all the SUV’s in this country disappear tomorrow it wouldn’t even put a dent in the green house gasses that man/woman/animal and this planet produce. You might as well petition the Chinese government to stop burning coal to make electricity. Just ask anyone who was at Tieneman Square how well that’s works.


“3. Use efficient appliances, replace light bulbs, insulate”


Now that’s an excellent suggestion, aside from being more efficient, you can usually get a rebate from the government when you buy energy efficient appliances.

“4. Buy renewable energy, like wind and solar”


That’s sounds good on the surface, but the fact is, at this time, there just isn’t enough available wind and solar energy to sustain the overall needs, but there is hope. With the research in nano-technology that’s being done, solar energy may soon be able to handle our needs.

Here’s a thought. At the present time it would take miles and miles of solar panels to collect enough energy from the Sun to produce enough electricity to handle all of our needs. I’m not sure but logic tells me that these panels probably get hot when they are collecting the Suns energy. My question is how much of a temperature increase would occur on the Earth as a result of miles and miles of solar panels?


“5. Organize the neighborhood and town for energy efficiency”


That’s sounds nice and it might make for a good slogan or poster, but what does it really mean?


“6. Use your vote and influence as a citizen to elect responsive leaders”


Responsive to what, the ideologies of the junk science, scare tactics??? Personally I’d rather see people vote responsible people into office, and then recall them when they make bad appointments to key positions that effect our environment. Case in point the California Air Resources Board (C.A.R.B.), this board is made up of a bunch of professionals with no scientific background at all. They are the *** that decided it would be a good idea to put poison (M.T.B.E.) as an oxygenate in our gasoline. Aside from the fact that it doesn’t burn well so it requires us to burn more gas to get the same result, which means we don’t get as good of gas mileage as we should, it’s carcinogenic and it travels rather freely through the ground so it has now contaminated our ground water.


“7. Encourage efficient transportation in & between communities”


Looks good on paper, and most cities do have some form public rail systems, but the fact is most people won’t use public transportation for several reasons ranging from time, money, and safety. For the most part the agencies that run the systems are nothing more than bloated bureaucracies who suck off the public ***.


“8. Plant trees, expand open spaces”


I’m always for planting more trees, but how does one expand open spaces? Are you talking about bulldozing houses and relocating people? I’m truly at a loss here, could please explain?


“9. Reduce sprawl and the paving of the landscape”


So in other words stop building houses, or is it your intention that we all live in big cities cramped together like sardines.


“10. Build for efficiency and solar power”


I think that’s pretty much a given these days. I don’t know of anyone who builds for inefficiency. The standards for building residential and commercial these days are to build more energy efficient units. As far as solar power goes, you do realize that it requires a lot of space to use solar power. So my question to you is, how do you stop urban sprawl and use solar power at the same time.


“11. Support sustainable farming and forestry”


Sustainable farming and forestry??? What do you mean? Please explain.


“12. Reduce global deforestation”


And just how do you suggest that our government or we as private citizens go about this.


“13. Develop an efficient energy policy, moving away from fossil fuels”
It sounds good, you got anything in mind?


“14. Export new energy technology that uses renewable energy sources”
Again, what does that mean? What new energy technology? Please explain.


“Knowing the truth is easy... but what to do with it, is not!”

That’s an interesting quote. Is it yours?


If you took the time to read my post I thank you and I hope at the very least I’ve given you pause to think and maybe research what I’ve said. I don’t expect to change anyone opinions on this subject because I believe that forming opinions should be done by research and not talking points.

Before anyone decides to label me an anti environmentalist let me give you a little background on myself. I’m an avid camper, armature geologist (still learning), rock hound who loves and respects the great outdoors. I’m also a Boy Scout leader and as such I teach young men respect the great outdoors and how to survive in it. I don’t give money to groups like the Serria Club, instead I go out and get my hands dirty and do the work myself, and I’m a firm believer in protecting our environment and conserving our natural resources, but I also believe that this can be done in balance.

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Post: # 3733Post Alisima »

Has anyone ever connected the global earth changes with the changes in the whole solar system??

Because it is not only the earth which is undergoing changes. For instance:

According to a ESA team led by Dr. Mike Lockwood, as written on the ESA website, the Sun's magnetic field became 230% stronger between 1901 and 1999 - and Lockwood's studies also show that the speed of this change in continually accelerating. As was again proven in early November 2003, we're havind solar activity at a level never before witnessed - at least not in recorded history.

Dr. Aleskey Dmitriev's work, entitled "Planetophysical State of the Earth and Life," features at http://www.tmgnow.com shows that the planets themselves are changing, becoming brighter, hotter, more magnetic, more geologically active and more atmospherically dense.

Also, Dr. Dmitriev's cites studies showing that the Moon has acquired a 6,000-kilometer-deep layer of sodium gas that was not measured during the Apollo missions of the late 60's. Dmitriev also reveals that hydroperoxyl (HO) gas is appearing in the Earth's upper atmosphere.

Dmitriev also tells us that the planets are experiencing sizable changes in their overall brightness. Venus, for example, is showing us marked increases in its overall brightness. Jupiter now has such a high energetic charge that there is actually a visible tube of ionizing radiation formed between Jupiter and its moon, Io. The planets are experiencing a change in their magnetic fields - they are becoming stronger. According to Dmitriev, Jupiter's magnetic field grew 200% in size in the six years between 1992 and 1998, and Uranus' magnetic field has experienced an "abrupt, large-scale growth" in its intensity. These planets are becoming brighter. Their magnetic field strength is getting higher. Theis atmospheric qualities are changing.

Both Uranus and Neptune have had a recent pole shift. When the Voyager 2 space probe flew past Uranes and Neptune, their magnetic field where 60 and 50 degrees off, respectively.

A 2003 study by the University of Wisconsin-Madison, headed by Dr. Lawrence Sromovsky, reveals that Neptune's overall brightness increased by a whopping 40% in the six short years between 1996 and 2002.

As of September 2002, a team of top-notch scientist led by James Eliot, professor of planetary astronomy at MIT, discovered that even though Pluto has been drifting away from the sun since 1989, there has been a 300% increase in its atmospheric pressure since 1988, causing a noticeable rise in surfave temperatures.

AS of August 2003, an ESA/NASA experiment discovered that there is 300% more dust drom our galaxy entering the solar system in the summer of 2003 than there was throughout all of th 1990s.

Information taking from the book "The reincarnation of edgar cayce?".

Anyway, it should be apparent, given you believe the above statements, that not only Earth is undergoing changes but the whole solar system is. Which means that not everything that is happen on earth is due to mankind and its polution, but rather a change in the WHOLE solar system.
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