What makes us Human ?

[trumpet_is_cool]

I just saw a documentation about kids who growed up in a wilderness...For example a girl from the ukraine who was "educationed" from dogs until she was found at a age of 8 from the goverment...She still beheaves like a dog. There was other examples of kids who was grown up in the wilderness and all beheave like the animals that raises them up.

"It was as if they had the minds of wolves. They tore off any clothes put on them and would only eat raw meat." (Kamala and Amala)

See this link for all the details http://www.feralchildren.com/en/index.php

Is everything that makes us human just the presence of other humans ? What happens spiritually to these kids if they didn`t had the possibility to learn from other humans ?...What are your thought`s after reading these storys about the kids ? I feel somehow strange, don`t know why...Are we really that special ?

[Robanan]

One thing that I'm sure of 100% is that wearing cloths and eating cooked food doesn't make us human.

[trumpet_is_cool]

One thing that I'm sure of 100% is that wearing cloths and eating cooked food doesn't make us human.

My question is not about their appearance but about their mind , they beheave like the animals because they copyed them...If we wouldn`t raised up with parents and other humans we wouldn`t be able to walk,talk,think and so on...Have these souls choosed to raised up by a dog/ape/wolf ? Are they only insane ? Is it an accident of nature ?

Interesting is also the following forbidden experiment :

In 1211, Frederick II, Emperor of Germany, in an attempt to discover the natural "language of God," raised dozens of children in silence. God's preferred language never emerged; the children never spoke any language and all ultimately died in childhood (van Cleve, 1972).

So it seems that we aren`t able to live without the love of our parents / other beings...But if we are raised up from other beings (animals) we will behave and act like them.

[Robanan]

I don't think anyone really knows what happens inside their mind. They are able to think otherwise they wouldn't have been able to learn how to behave like those who raises them. One thing is that these people infact may also know how to see auras and communicate feelings and images through telepathy or how else do you imagine these people succeed to survive among animals? You know that communication is vital right?

You shouldn't put things like walk, talk, reading...(let's call them Learnable skills) among things like thinking, feeling, loving,...(let's call them Natural skills) these are different things and are of different categories, do differentiate. People learn or re-learn the Learnable skills like the ones I mentioned above from 0 each time on their every incarnation, but they always know how to think, feel, love...

Have these souls choosed to raised up by a dog/ape/wolf ? Are they only insane ? Is it an accident of nature ?

I don't think that it's an accident of nature, only careless parents. Children don't appear from flowers you know...

Havn't you notice that these children die very early? What do you think the reasons might be?

So it seems that we aren`t able to live without the love of our parents / other beings...But if we are raised up from other beings (animals) we will behave and act like them.

Living depends on how people learn to survive (maintain their life) in different environments. I don't think Love is a necessary condition for survival. The information available about the forbidden experiment is not enough for making any conclusion based on it.

[trumpet_is_cool]

Thank`s so far...I think i found my answers to my questions overnight...I would share them with you if it wouldn`t be so difficult to express it for me It`s a difficult topic and even more difficult for me to translate my thought`s about it into english...I agree to most of that what you wrote, i came to a similar conclusion...

[Robanan]

I would be more than happy to hear all about everything you could add to this topic.

[Yothu]

Thanks Trumpet for input!

Very interesting!

When surfing the site I came across the story of "Kaspar Hauser" which is a particularly attractive one for me.

[Yothu]

Kamala and Amala, the Wolf Girls of Midnapore

the wolf-girls did not become a topic of debate within the scientific community until two books were published over a decade later, one by Arnold Gesell, the noted Yale University child specialist, and one by Robert Zingg, a Denver anthropologist, both of which were based on the diary kept by the Reverend Singh.

Gesell felt her story demonstrated just how mentally naked humans are when born and how much we rely on society to shape us. As he put it, human culture operates on the mind as "a large scale moulding matrix, a gigantic conditioning apparatus" without which we would remain at the level of animals. However, while more open-minded than most about the importance of a social mould in forging man's higher mental abilities, Gesell still was wedded to a horticultural view of mental development. He believed that culture "unlocks" our dormant abilities rather than, as the bifold model suggests, that these abilities are grafted on top of the raw material of the animal mind. So, for example, Gesell saw the gradual appearance of smiles and other sociable expressions on Kamala's face as the result of the loosening of rigid muscles rather than thinking that Kamala might have had to learn such emotional signals through contact with her fellow humans.

Mr. Gesell expresses very well the similiar thoughts I first had when I read Trumpet's announcement. (thanks again for sharing, Trumpet)

What is also fascinating for me is that the human body is moulded so much by the mind. Their hair, their appearence, their eyes which "Singh claimed were supernaturally sharp at night and would glow in the dark like a cat's." (if this is true)

So, for example, Gesell saw the gradual appearance of smiles and other sociable expressions on Kamala's face as the result of the loosening of rigid muscles rather than thinking that Kamala might have had to learn such emotional signals through contact with her fellow humans. Like Singh, Gesell spoke of Kamala's wolf-like habits as if they were just an overlay of copied behaviours that thinly papered over her true human nature — or as he put it: "motor sets [which] constituted the core of her action-system and affected the organisation of her personality."