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Vesko
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Jesus in Japan

Post: # 6267Post Vesko »

Many of you have read Tom Chalko's article "Tomb of Jesus in Shingo Village (Herai) in Japan. The Song Reveals the Truth" at http://www.thiaoouba.com/tomb.htm.

Although there are various other pages about that on the Internet that merit some attention, I just came upon an old email transcript (dated 1988) of a Reuters article that I find especially informative: http://www.subgenius.com/subg-digest/ancient/0163.html. It is referred from a blog post from a couple of days ago, http://zimblog.typepad.com/tanuki_rambl ... ci_co.html. A part follows (I refrain from quoting full or large texts because copyright shouldn't be infringed):
Whatever one makes of the legend, there must remain fascinating bits of mystery in a Shingo village.

For centuries, villagers practiced customs unknown to the rest of Japan. Newborn babies wore swaddling clothes embroidered with a Star of David. Up to about 10 years ago, newborns had a cross painted in black ink on their foreheads.

Villagers use words that other people don't understand--their words for father and mother are apa and aya, which they say come from the language Jesus spoke.

Village councilman Tomekichi Shimotochidana and at least half of the hamlet of 4,300 people firmly believe that Jesus lived and died here.

But not a single one of them is Christian, not even his supposed descendant, Toyoji Sawaguchi, whose farm contains a mound topped with a tall wooden cross, said to be Christ's tomb.
It is also interesting to learn it is thought that the brother was cruficied instead:
Threatened with crucifixion, Jesus escaped, but his brother Iskiri was executed in his place, the legend goes.

The brother's ear and some of his hair, retrieved after the crucifixion by some unexplained means, are buried next to the mortal remains of this brother in Shingo, said Shimotochidana.
The name of Jesus' wife is also given: Yumiko.
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Post: # 6268Post shezmear »

Vesko....LUV YA WORK!!! 8)
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Post: # 6304Post Vesko »

Shezmear, thank you. Don't you get a tingling feeling in your stomach when you come across old or very old information about things which people should have paid more attention to long time ago? It really seems there may be something behind the legend.

More good links:

"When Jesus Walked in Japan", December 16, 2004
http://www.rense.com/general60/jesusjapan.htm (the article is not by rense.com -- it's by "The Independent, UK", but it is not available from the original location).

When I read 'A website run by a supporter of the cult group, Christ in Japan, sniffs that journalists worldwide have ridiculed the song and the "efforts of simple people of the village to preserve tradition" but that they will remain defiant. "People from Herai will keep singing The Song, and no one on Earth, not even the Pope, can stop them."', I recognised Tom Chalko's words from his article http://www.thiaoouba.com/tomb.htm. Some of you knowing Tom Chalko better, will know he is no supporter of such a cult group, or any cult group -- he encourages people to think by themselves.

Part I: "Did Jesus settle down in Japan?", April 12, 2006
http://www.dailytidings.com/2006/April 2006/0412/041206c1.shtml (copy and paste this link in your browser address bar)

Part II: "Japan's tomb of Christ", April 19, 2006 -- this part tells of a first hand account and direct information of the journalist who wrote the article, who "took a number of visitors to the almost unknown graves" during his 7 years in Japan.
http://www.dailytidings.com/2006/April 2006/0419/041906c1.shtml (copy and paste this link in your browser address bar)

"Japan is proud home of Christ's tomb", May 29, 2006 (sent to me by Michael Meanwell)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 83,00.html

Mentions Moses' tomb to be in Japan, too. More about that as well as Jesus in Japan:

"Strangest Story Ever Told - Weird Legend Of Jesus In Japan", January 23, 2001
http://www.rense.com/general7/weirdlegend.htm (originally from ABCNEWS.com).

The following one says that the other tomb contains "hair of St. Mary" (that would be Virgin Mary), but judging from the other articles, this may be an error. I have seen this in at least one other article though, so someone needs to confirm what people in Shingo really say:

"Jesus in Japan. Buried in Shingo", December 23, 2000 (originally from Associated press)
http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/00/12/2thai/23b.html
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Post: # 6308Post shezmear »

Yes, I sometimes get a tingling feeling in my stomach and a short charge of energy when I come across old or very old information that is relevent. when I am mentally very clear, say if I have been fasting or meditating, I get it a lot more, I also get it a lot more with my BS meter.. :-k

I wish people would let the facts determine their doctrine and not their doctrine determine the facts.
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Post: # 6368Post Vesko »

The following has an intriguing resemblance to the TP story that Jesus and Christ are two different persons, and that only one of them is "divine". From an encyclopaedia entry about the spiritual philosopher Rudolph Steiner, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Steiner:
Steiner also claimed that there were two different Jesus children involved in the Incarnation of the Christ: one child descended from Solomon, as described in the Gospel of Matthew, the other child from Nathan, as described in the Gospel of Luke. (The genealogies given in the two gospels diverge some thirty generations before Jesus' birth, and 'Jesus' was a common name in biblical times.) In Steiner's descriptions, the divine "Christ Spirit", the Son-God of the Trinity, incarnated in the Nathan Jesus at the moment of the baptism by John; up until the moment of the baptism by John in the Jordan, the Nathan Jesus was a very great holy man, but not yet the divine Son of God.
I don't know why he claimed that, but he claimed to be capable of accessing the Akashic records, i.e. the psychosphere in TP's terminology -- since I mention that, here's the entry for it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_Records.

This sudden post is because I have just acquainted with a medical doctor who told me he has many years of study of antroposophy, the movement founded by Rudolph Steiner. The doctor has written a book called "Jogging and contemporary sports in the light of antroposophy", which I'll be reading.

An electronic library of many of Steiner's works: http://www.rsarchive.org.

I've read a little from Steiner before, and while I think it's more based on intellectual speculation than on spiritual practice, it seems significantly more based on the latter than other Western philosophers' writings I've read, though, at this point, I wouldn't like to compare Steiner with Plato, because of my limited reading of the former.

At this point, it's good to read about antroposophy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antroposophy, and theosophy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophy (as you can read, Steiner split from the latter to found the former).
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Re: Jesus in Japan

Post: # 11450Post phantom199 »

Is there a translation of the song in English? with kind regards
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Re: Jesus in Japan

Post: # 11480Post Zio »

I have found a very interesting video on youtube about the relationship between Japan and Israel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00BP86cks4w

I like the fact that they mentioned the resemblance of hebrew and japanese letters.
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Re: Jesus in Japan

Post: # 11955Post Zio »

Interesting enough, there is some people who argues that some of the facts about Jesus in Japan is false.

http://www.zetetique.ldh.org/herai_en.html

What do you think? TP only talks about Jesus being in Shingo and dying there.

If we think about it, how can a grave and so many evidences be still intact after so many years?
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Re: Jesus in Japan

Post: # 11966Post Rezo »

posted also in here w/interesting material [I felt it to be, anyway] on page 2:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1047&p=9290&hilit=J ... uchi#p9290

Im going with its genuine, but with some parts exaggerated by tourism, such as, a pyramid is nearby, for example. doesnt appear to be a significant pyramid from photos ive seen, at least.
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